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BRM Reviews the 6/3/2020 Dynamite (meh)

Post by Big Red Machine » Jun 4th, '20, 21:29

AEW WORLD TAG TEAM TITLE MATCH: Adam Page & Kenny Omega(c) vs. Jimmy Havoc & Kip Sabian (w/Penelope Ford)- 7/10
This was what I could call the basic minimum acceptable for a television main event (and probably for most televised title matches, too). It was very good or probably even something I would have defined as “great” when I made the mistake of trying to assign adjectives to various ranges on my scale, but it wasn’t enough to elevate Havoc & Sabian in the loss, which seemed to me like it was the entire point of doing this match. The story was the heels cheating and babyfaces overcoming it, but Havoc and Sabian never quite felt like they could really hang with Page & Omega.

TULLY BLANCHARD YELLS AT SHAWN SPEARS ON “EARLIES THIS WEEK ON SOCIAL MEDIA”- “On social media?” So where were there cameras there to film it? Would it have been that hard to frame this as an interview with Spears and have Tully run in and yell at him?
Anyway, Tully promo was about how Spears was wasting his potential and if he ever wants to move up the card and become big player, he needs to stop being a goofball and get serious. I’m pretty sure I’ve cut this exact same promo on AEW several time.

TULLY BLANCHARD GIVES SHAWN SPEARS A BLACK GLOVE- … okay…
Having Tully get into a car with Spears to do this was kind of weird. And why was there a camera in the car? See… this right here is a spot where you can post this originally as a video on Twitter (and then show us during Dynamite) and frame the presentation in such a way that it’s something Tully wanted the world to see that he was giving to Spears.
As for the glove itself, I’m not sure I get it. I will admit that aside from certain isolated angles, my knowledge of anything pre-1987 other than WWF or Crockett is shoddy at best so maybe I’m missing something here, but the connection that I immediately draw to a black glove is Ted Dibiase’s heel run in Mid-South. The problem with this being a reference to that is that Spears is already a cheating heel, so it’s not like using a loaded glove as a weapon would really be new to him. I guess the weapon itself would be new, but the concept as a whole doesn’t really feel like any sort of thing that would make Spears turn a corner.

SHAWN DEAN vs. BRIAN CAGE (w/Taz)- squash
I don’t really like Cage jumping the bell on these jobbers, simply because he shouldn’t need to. You don’t really lose anything by having him wait for the bell before charging at the jobber.

POST-MATCH SEGMENT- AWESOME!
Taz cut a F*CKING AWESOME promo on Moxley and about how Cage was going to take the AEW world Title from him at Fyter Fest 2020. Moxley then came out to respond and cut a promo that wasn’t quite in the same league, but was still pretty damn great.

ALEX MARVEZ FINDS LANCE ARCHER BEATING UP A RANDOM LUCHADOR ON THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY EARLIER TODAY- This was a great promo by Archer about how losing to Cody wouldn’t affect him because he’s here to be a monster, but why the hell does he always have to be beating up some random dude. Seriously. He doesn’t gain anything by it, and it just makes the company look bad because there are no consequences for assaulting innocent people.
The announcers played up the idea that even Jake Roberts was shocked by how crazy and intense Archer was, but I didn’t get that at all. Jake apologizing to Marvez came off to be like Jake was a heel trying to play a role.

MATT HARDY COMES TO VISIT PRIVATE PARTY AT THEIR LITTLE BAR- didn’t like it
Again… why is there a camera here? And don’t tell me that it doesn’t matter, because it does. Last week we had to watch Adam Page and Kenny Omega from a security camera with no sound because it wouldn’t make sense to have a camera in their hotel room, so why does it make sense to have cameras seeing things like this or the stuff with Tully and Spears earlier?
Anyway, Matt is regular Matt Hardy now. He puts over Private Party and they mark out for him. He offers to give them advice whenever they want it, and they are happy and thankful to this veteran for his offer. Matt then leaves the bar and walks past Sammy Guevara. Matt says that they’re cool now, which effectively kills the Inner Circle vs. Elite feud, I guess. So much for us getting War Games “when the time is right,” huh Cody?

INNER CIRCLE VS. TYSON & PALS BRAWL RECAP- They take a page out of WWE’s playbook and do the pathetic “LOOK AT ALL THIS MAINSTREAM MEDIA COVERAGE WE GOT!” bit. Their presentation was better than WWE’s (they paused the video recap every ten seconds or so to put a headline up on the screen) and they made sure not to show anything that talked about wrestling being a work, but the concept is still just as desperate and pathetic. You don’t need to impress us and tell us that we’re not weird for watching pro wrestling by showing off your mainstream media coverage. We’re wrestling fans. Be proud of the fact that you’re pro wrestling and just show us a G-d damn video package, not graphic of your YouTube views going up.
We were shown quick aftermath promos from first Tyson and then Jericho. Tyson promised to come back and get Jericho. If he cared that much, you’d think he would come back this week, but apparently not. Jericho claimed he would have knocked Tyson out if not for Colt Cabana getting in his way, so tonight we’re getting…

COLT CABANA vs. CHRIS JERICHO (w/Jake Hager & Sammy Guevara)- 6.25/10
During Jericho’s entrance, they cut to the crowd to show us Allie hanging all over Q.T. Marshall. This REALLY pissed me off for three reasons, all of which could have been easily rectified:
1. There was no logical reason to cut to this, but they did anyway, because they needed to get their story over, and that right there is a creative failing. Again… would it have been so hard to do a backstage interview with Q.T. and have Allie be there and try to seduce him or whatever she’s doing?
2. Once again, we are offered no explanation for why she is back to being non-Bunny Allie, or why she would possibly be interested in Q.T. Marshall. Can someone please tell us what’s going on? Or at least have the announcers acknowledge that this is all very strange and tell us that they’re not sure what’s going on, either?
3. Just standing there in the background of this shot was the masked man who Lance archer was beating up on the side of the road earlier. Could you really have not made sure that no one who got his ass kicked on the side of the road earlier in the day was in the shot because you cut to it (and especially when his presence doesn’t add anything)?

The match itself was fine. I can’t fault them for doing it the way they did because of where Jericho needs to be for his storyline, but I would have loved to see a longer match with the story being Jericho getting more and more frustrated with Cabana’s wily tricks.

POST-MATCH SEGMENT- bad
Jericho cut a great promo for a feud that I don’t understand how anyone can possibly care about. He then did the classic heel show of false bravado by calling out someone he knows isn’t in the building. He demanded the presence of the Baddest Man on the Planet so he could beat him up, but he got Orange Cassidy. The Inner Circle tried to ambush Orange Cassidy but he managed to avoid all of their offense. Why are they turning their top heel stable into a bunch of buffoons?

BRITT BAKER, DMD REHAB VIDEO PACKAGE- bad
Can we please have someone in this company who isn’t a complete buffoon?
Making this even worse was that announcers then took the time to point out all of the puns on Britt’s gear and wheelchair to us, and then explain them, just in case you didn’t get them. This was worse than ANYTHING WWE has ever done in terms of making sure the audience gets the joke by having the announcers spoon-feed it to us.

BIG SWOLE vs. NYLA ROSE- 6/10
Big Swole’s gear gives me an excuse to plug Kyle Higgins run on Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers, which I’ve been reading during quarantine. I’m about fifteen issues in, and so far it’s been very enjoyable.
Swole put up a good fight but lost clean.

POST-MATCH SEGMENT- fine
Swole started to cut a good promo but Britt Baker interrupted her by being annoying and yelling and having Rebel crash her big giant chariot thing to the barricade. Swole came after her with a chair, but Rebel pulled Britt away. This accomplished its goal well, but was there really a point in doing it? It’s Britt months away from returning? Also, this marks yet another person who they have built up an issue with Britt, making her the Cody of the women’s division… except that unlike Cody, I don’t have any faith that they’ll make an effort to pay most of these angles off.

TONY SCHIAVONE INTERVIEWS DARBY ALLIN- Darby gave a fine answer to a very stupid question by Tony. Tony asked if he thought Cage injured him during the ladder match because of the problems Darby had with Taz when Taz was interviewing him. IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A F*CKING LADDER MATCH, TONY! Do you think Cage would have not thrown Darby off of him if Darby and TAz dind’t have issues?

TONY SCHIAVONE’S SIT-DOWN INTERVIEW WITH FTR- disappointing
The first question I want an answer to is why they’re in Kip Sabian, Penelope Ford, & Jimmy Havoc’s living room.
This was very meh. It just… wasn’t exciting or particularly interesting. They said nothing that you didn’t expect them to say, and their comments on the Young Bucks lacked the animosity that there really should be when the Bucks started attacking them out of nowhere with the whole #FTRR thing.
At the end of the interview, The Butcher & The Blade angrily came down the stairs. Does everyone in AEW live in this house?
Apparently. A bunch of random dudes ran in to stop them from fighting. FTR said that they wanted to handle things in the ring like “businessmen,” then Cash Wheeler was a jerk and threw his water and The Butcher & The Blade for no reason.

MARK QUEN IS GETTING A TNT TITLE MATCH NEXT WEEK- Fun fact: Mark Quen has the same number of singles victories in AEW as me. How the f*ck is he getting a title shot? Hell… the dude barely has any tag team wins against non-jobber competition. Fun fact: Since their win over the Santana & Ortiz on the 11/20/2019 Dynamite, Private Party are 4-8, with two of their wins coming against jobber teams, and the other two coming against makeshift teams of undercard guys, of whom only Shawn Spears is good enough to occasionally get booked on the A show. So much for this title meaning anything.

Also for next week they plugged The Butcher & The Blade vs. FTR, Sammy Guevara vs. Colt Cabana, and the Goof Patrol vs. the Inner Circle of Jake Hager & LAX. Also AEW world Champion Jon Moxley will wrestle on next week’s episode of Dark.

ALEX MARVEZ INTERVIEWS COLT CABANA- fine
Colt is frustrated by his inability to win bigger matches. Brodie Lee and Grayson stopped by and Brodie told him that losses are part of life, and what matters is how we respond to them. After they left, Colt told Marvez that the Dark Order isn’t something he wants to be a part of, but the announcers thought he still might have been interested.

AEW TNT TITLE MATCH: Cody Rhodes(c) (w/Arn Anderson) vs. Jungle Boy- 6.75/10
Now Tony is saying that it’s Rey Fenix who will be challenging for the title next week, and no one either corrected him or acknowledged that this was different from what had been said (and shown in a graphic) just minutes ago.
Cody bled a lot because he headbutted a wall by accident. Why the f*ck would you throw a headbutt at a dude who is standing against a wall?
MJF yelled that he deserved this title shot more than Jungle Boy. He’s wrong about that because Jungle Boy won last week’s #1 contendership match, but he’s got a hell of an argument that he deserves it more than the guy getting it next week, seeing as how that guy has zero singles wins while MJF has many and is also yet to be pinned, made to submit, get counted out, or be disqualified.
Cody dominated most of the match despite being the one who was bleeding all over. He took his weight-belt off like he was going to hit Jungle Boy with it even though Jungle Boy had done nothing wrong. He finally decided not to hit Jungle Boy with it, and then tossed the belt off to the side. Doesn’t he need that weight belt for some reason? And if he doesn’t need it, why does he wear it to the ring at all?
They also went through a table from the top rope. Cody dumped Jungle Boy on his head with the Cross Rhodes. This would be the same thing Cody criticized MJF for doing a few months back.


This was a meh episode of Dynamite, with the exception of the Taz and Moxley segment, which everyone should go out of their was to see.
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Re: BRM Reviews the 6/3/2020 Dynamite (meh)

Post by NWK2000 » Jun 5th, '20, 08:39

Big Red Machine wrote: Jun 4th, '20, 21:29
SHAWN DEAN vs. BRIAN CAGE (w/Taz)- squash
I don’t really like Cage jumping the bell on these jobbers, simply because he shouldn’t need to. You don’t really lose anything by having him wait for the bell before charging at the jobber.
It's a Road Warriors thing dude. It comes from less of a "I'm a heel" place and more of a "I'm amped to beat the shit out of you" and that works for someone as intense as Cage, especially being managed by Taz,

POST-MATCH SEGMENT- AWESOME!
Taz cut a F*CKING AWESOME promo on Moxley and about how Cage was going to take the AEW world Title from him at Fyter Fest 2020. Moxley then came out to respond and cut a promo that wasn’t quite in the same league, but was still pretty damn great.
TNA fooled me into thinking Taz wasn't a good heel manager, and I feel lied to




Jericho cut a great promo for a feud that I don’t understand how anyone can possibly care about. He then did the classic heel show of false bravado by calling out someone he knows isn’t in the building. He demanded the presence of the Baddest Man on the Planet so he could beat him up, but he got Orange Cassidy. The Inner Circle tried to ambush Orange Cassidy but he managed to avoid all of their offense. Why are they turning their top heel stable into a bunch of buffoons?
You act like Jericho hasn't made of living weaving between "heel buffoon" and "credible heel threat" a-la Kurt Angle for decades. To not allow them to be buffoons if they have this ability would be a waste of talent. I'm sure he'll be right back to a serious heel program once they shuffle the card again post-Fyter Fest




MARK QUEN IS GETTING A TNT TITLE MATCH NEXT WEEK- Fun fact: Mark Quen has the same number of singles victories in AEW as me. How the f*ck is he getting a title shot?[/quote[


I've always thought the logic of a TV Title style belt is that contenders can occasionally just be decided at random per the booker's convenience, at least that's how WCW's TV Belt seemed to work during the height of Nitro's popularity
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Re: BRM Reviews the 6/3/2020 Dynamite (meh)

Post by Big Red Machine » Jun 5th, '20, 09:54

NWK2000 wrote: Jun 5th, '20, 08:39
Big Red Machine wrote: Jun 4th, '20, 21:29
SHAWN DEAN vs. BRIAN CAGE (w/Taz)- squash
I don’t really like Cage jumping the bell on these jobbers, simply because he shouldn’t need to. You don’t really lose anything by having him wait for the bell before charging at the jobber.
It's a Road Warriors thing dude. It comes from less of a "I'm a heel" place and more of a "I'm amped to beat the shit out of you" and that works for someone as intense as Cage, especially being managed by Taz,
So wait for the bell and then charge at the dude.


NWK2000 wrote: Jun 5th, '20, 08:39 POST-MATCH SEGMENT- AWESOME!
Big Red Machine wrote: Jun 4th, '20, 21:29 Taz cut a F*CKING AWESOME promo on Moxley and about how Cage was going to take the AEW world Title from him at Fyter Fest 2020. Moxley then came out to respond and cut a promo that wasn’t quite in the same league, but was still pretty damn great.
TNA fooled me into thinking Taz wasn't a good heel manager, and I feel lied to
The exact sentence I was thinking while watching Taz cut this promo was "I bet this is exactly the kind of promo TNA was hoping Taz would cut for Joe when they brought him in.

To be fair, I think it's not TNA who fooled you so much as Taz himself. His work in AEW both as a manager and a commentator has been MILES above what he did in TNA, and the vibe from Taz in TNA was always that he didn't give a sh*t. TNA deserves some criticism for not firing his ass when it was clear he wasn't going to change, but either way all of the blame for Taz's poor TNA performance should fall on Taz's shoulders.



NWK2000 wrote: Jun 5th, '20, 08:39
Big Red Machine wrote: Jun 4th, '20, 21:29 Jericho cut a great promo for a feud that I don’t understand how anyone can possibly care about. He then did the classic heel show of false bravado by calling out someone he knows isn’t in the building. He demanded the presence of the Baddest Man on the Planet so he could beat him up, but he got Orange Cassidy. The Inner Circle tried to ambush Orange Cassidy but he managed to avoid all of their offense. Why are they turning their top heel stable into a bunch of buffoons?
You act like Jericho hasn't made of living weaving between "heel buffoon" and "credible heel threat" a-la Kurt Angle for decades. To not allow them to be buffoons if they have this ability would be a waste of talent. I'm sure he'll be right back to a serious heel program once they shuffle the card again post-Fyter Fest
Jericho was never a buffoon as a main eventer. And it's fine for him to go so over the top everyone once in a while, but he's doing it on a constant basis at this point. Stuff like what we got here is a lot more palatable if we hadn't spent weeks with Jericho trying to recruit Matt Hardy's f*cking drone into the Inner Circle and doing a dumb social distance fight over Zoom or demanding that the referee check the instant replay during a wrestling match.







NWK2000 wrote: Jun 5th, '20, 08:39
Big Red Machine wrote: Jun 4th, '20, 21:29 MARK QUEN IS GETTING A TNT TITLE MATCH NEXT WEEK- Fun fact: Mark Quen has the same number of singles victories in AEW as me. How the f*ck is he getting a title shot?

I've always thought the logic of a TV Title style belt is that contenders can occasionally just be decided at random per the booker's convenience, at least that's how WCW's TV Belt seemed to work during the height of Nitro's popularity
Things that are allowed to happen "at random per the booker's convenience" are things like randomly booking a #1 contendership battle royale or ladder match (and even then you shouldn't do it too often, and should make every effort to make it feel less random, like finding a way to tie it into the name of a PPV, although not completely whoring out the gimmick the way WWE does. The audience's reaction should be "oh, okay, that's kind of thematic," as opposed to feeling like "it's the ladder match PPV, therefore we must do a ladder match"). The key point is that the wrestler still has to work for it and earn the title shot, like Brian Cage and Jungle Boy did. If anyone can just be given a title shot willy-nilly, then wins and losses don't matter, so why should anyone care about the outcomes of matches that aren't title matches or grudge matches?
And in AEW, doing this sort of thing is even worse than doing it somewhere else because AEW prominently displays and hypes up the competitors' records. Wins and losses aren't important just because you keep track of them. You make them important by giving them consequences. Keeping track of people's records and then not giving the results of the matches consequences is just about the worst thing you can do, because while WWE (and TNA for most it's run) where they will just try to feed you bullsh*t and have the announcers' comments add water to it to make you think it's chocolate pudding, AEW is doing the exact same thing except that they don't have enough respect for you to at least take it out of the original can with the big "BULLSH*T!" label on the side and they still expect you to believe that it's something else.

These records are just another thing are only important when AEW wants them to be, and that's bad storytelling.
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Re: BRM Reviews the 6/3/2020 Dynamite (meh)

Post by NWK2000 » Jun 5th, '20, 21:34

Big Red Machine wrote: Jun 5th, '20, 09:54 . MARK QUEN IS GETTING A TNT TITLE MATCH NEXT WEEK- Fun fact: Mark Quen has the same number of singles victories in AEW as me. How the f*ck is he getting a title shot?
Upon further analysis you're completely correct. Smokey Mountain had a take on the TV Title called "Beat the Champ", and it the opponent was decided by a drawing, and they got 15 minutes to try and pin or submit the champion. I find this concept absolutely fascinating. It's a great way to keep fans on their toes and a way to give undercard guys like Jungle Boy the spotlight when they typically might not have it. And I think that's what AEW's going for when they book Mark Quen vs Cody. I just wish that was an established rule for the title.
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Post by XIV » Jun 6th, '20, 01:54

Taz's promo was the stand out part of the show for me. Just intense and awesome, I love this pairing. It feels like a fresh Heyman / Lesnar style relationship where we all know Taz has other duties in the company (occasional announcer etc.) but this is his own personal project. I like that.

I found Grayson handing Colt the cold water bottle a poignant moment, I feel almost like it was a "drinking the Kool Aid" style set up. If I'm right, this won't be the only time the Dork Order use this water bottle trick on Colt (or other wrestlers).


Right... on to my final point, a short rant of sorts...

"Title opportunity" is a phrase coined by Vince McMahon because he hates the word "shot" and annoyingly, it was used on AEW (and has crept in occasionally). I cannot stand this, because we all know it's a WWE-ism to not say "title shot". I want AEW to cease using this phrase immediately in fear of it becoming an industry standard saying. The first time I hear a wrestler on AEW say it, I'll freak, because it's an overly convoluted and scripted term which doesn't fit into a promo naturally, when angry, you just wouldn't say "title opportunity".
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Re: BRM Reviews the 6/3/2020 Dynamite (meh)

Post by Big Red Machine » Jun 7th, '20, 10:16

XIV wrote: Jun 6th, '20, 01:54

"Title opportunity" is a phrase coined by Vince McMahon because he hates the word "shot" and annoyingly, it was used on AEW (and has crept in occasionally). I cannot stand this, because we all know it's a WWE-ism to not say "title shot". I want AEW to cease using this phrase immediately in fear of it becoming an industry standard saying. The first time I hear a wrestler on AEW say it, I'll freak, because it's an overly convoluted and scripted term which doesn't fit into a promo naturally, when angry, you just wouldn't say "title opportunity".
YES! This! ROH does this, too, and they need to stop. If you are a wrestling company and trying to market yourself as an alternative to WWE, you absolutely NEED to stay away from certain WWE buzzwords, and "title opportunity" is at the top of the list?
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Re: BRM Reviews the 6/3/2020 Dynamite (meh)

Post by XIV » Jun 7th, '20, 11:34

Big Red Machine wrote: Jun 7th, '20, 10:16
XIV wrote: Jun 6th, '20, 01:54

"Title opportunity" is a phrase coined by Vince McMahon because he hates the word "shot" and annoyingly, it was used on AEW (and has crept in occasionally). I cannot stand this, because we all know it's a WWE-ism to not say "title shot". I want AEW to cease using this phrase immediately in fear of it becoming an industry standard saying. The first time I hear a wrestler on AEW say it, I'll freak, because it's an overly convoluted and scripted term which doesn't fit into a promo naturally, when angry, you just wouldn't say "title opportunity".
YES! This! ROH does this, too, and they need to stop. If you are a wrestling company and trying to market yourself as an alternative to WWE, you absolutely NEED to stay away from certain WWE buzzwords, and "title opportunity" is at the top of the list?
Behind actually using “wrestler” and “wrestling” for sure.

On AEW TV we hear the wrestlers say “title shot” and “title belt” I think it was even called “strap” on one occasion.

But it’s a worry. The commentators / announcers / interviewers saying it is one thing, but the wrestlers doing it would cause me great distress.
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Re: BRM Reviews the 6/3/2020 Dynamite (meh)

Post by Big Red Machine » Jun 7th, '20, 12:21

XIV wrote: Jun 7th, '20, 11:34
Big Red Machine wrote: Jun 7th, '20, 10:16
XIV wrote: Jun 6th, '20, 01:54

"Title opportunity" is a phrase coined by Vince McMahon because he hates the word "shot" and annoyingly, it was used on AEW (and has crept in occasionally). I cannot stand this, because we all know it's a WWE-ism to not say "title shot". I want AEW to cease using this phrase immediately in fear of it becoming an industry standard saying. The first time I hear a wrestler on AEW say it, I'll freak, because it's an overly convoluted and scripted term which doesn't fit into a promo naturally, when angry, you just wouldn't say "title opportunity".
YES! This! ROH does this, too, and they need to stop. If you are a wrestling company and trying to market yourself as an alternative to WWE, you absolutely NEED to stay away from certain WWE buzzwords, and "title opportunity" is at the top of the list?
Behind actually using “wrestler” and “wrestling” for sure.

On AEW TV we hear the wrestlers say “title shot” and “title belt” I think it was even called “strap” on one occasion.

But it’s a worry. The commentators / announcers / interviewers saying it is one thing, but the wrestlers doing it would cause me great distress.
No one should be saying it. The reason everyone hates it in WWE is because it's so unnatural.
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Re: BRM Reviews the 6/3/2020 Dynamite (meh)

Post by XIV » Jun 8th, '20, 00:12

Big Red Machine wrote: Jun 7th, '20, 12:21
XIV wrote: Jun 7th, '20, 11:34
Big Red Machine wrote: Jun 7th, '20, 10:16

YES! This! ROH does this, too, and they need to stop. If you are a wrestling company and trying to market yourself as an alternative to WWE, you absolutely NEED to stay away from certain WWE buzzwords, and "title opportunity" is at the top of the list?
Behind actually using “wrestler” and “wrestling” for sure.

On AEW TV we hear the wrestlers say “title shot” and “title belt” I think it was even called “strap” on one occasion.

But it’s a worry. The commentators / announcers / interviewers saying it is one thing, but the wrestlers doing it would cause me great distress.
No one should be saying it. The reason everyone hates it in WWE is because it's so unnatural.
Agreed.

If I was Tony Khan I would be telling everyone to use the phrases you know best, but do not use Vince’s cute terms. We’re not superstars, we’re not having title opportunities. We’re wrestlers having title shots.
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