Will anyone break Dudleys/Team 3D's record?

[cero2k]

^Why/How is one more credible than the other? Meltzer works for PWI, right?

I don't think I'll ever be able to accept there being a better tag team than the Dudleys during the 2000-2001 years. Imo, without them, the Hardy's & E&C would never have gotten over like they did....

Metlzer works for WON. As for the E&C and the Hardys not getting over as much as they did without the Dudleys? Preposterous. The APA could have filled that role just as well.

I disagree; the Dudley's were the best tag team in the world from 98 til they split them up during the draft. the APA couldn't work as good as the Dudleys; they are nowhere NEAR as good a tag team.

I agree that the Hardyz/EC/Dudleyz spot could have been filled with any other team, we probably wouldn't have the TLC match today, but that feud was about tag teams wanting gold and nothing else really. Too Cool, The Hollies, APA, or The New Age Outlaws could have done it.

but i do also agree that the dudleyz were the best team as Badnewz mentions, probably not all the time from 98 til the split, but definitely in the top 3. at the end of the day, the dudley boyz is a team that pretty much survived most wrestling companies, ECW, WWF/E, TNA, and thus has been able to fight against the "best of the best" when it comes to tag teams, they've seen it pretty much all, and somehow been able to come on top of most of those encounters.

[Rabid619]

while the one KOW won and dudleys haven't is the Wrestling Observer Awards, far more credible than PWI.

That list didn't have the Nasty Boys as tag team of the year at all which makes it VERY credible.

To answer the original question, i dont think anyone will break Team 3D's record unless they really start giving a team like the KoW more title runs. While Team 3D is good, i wouldn't say it's because of their 20+ tag team title runs.

[ECWFlairfan]

while the one KOW won and dudleys haven't is the Wrestling Observer Awards, far more credible than PWI.

That list didn't have the Nasty Boys as tag team of the year at all which makes it VERY credible.

To answer the original question, i dont think anyone will break Team 3D's record unless they really start giving a team like the KoW more title runs. While Team 3D is good, i wouldn't say it's because of their 20+ tag team title runs.

True... I would say that 3D is the 2nd best all time tag team though... (LOD #1) There may be teams that are more talented but only 1 that is better when you consider the whole package...

[badnewzxl]

I disagree; the Dudley's were the best tag team in the world from 98 til they split them up during the draft. the APA couldn't work as good as the Dudleys; they are nowhere NEAR as good a tag team.

I agree that the Hardyz/EC/Dudleyz spot could have been filled with any other team, we probably wouldn't have the TLC match today, but that feud was about tag teams wanting gold and nothing else really. Too Cool, The Hollies, APA, or The New Age Outlaws could have done it.

but i do also agree that the dudleyz were the best team as Badnewz mentions, probably not all the time from 98 til the split, but definitely in the top 3. at the end of the day, the dudley boyz is a team that pretty much survived most wrestling companies, ECW, WWF/E, TNA, and thus has been able to fight against the "best of the best" when it comes to tag teams, they've seen it pretty much all, and somehow been able to come on top of most of those encounters.[/quote]

I gotta argue that had the Dudley's not shown up in WWE and introduced tables the way they did, tag team wrestling would have been as non-existent then as it is now in that company, they would have never come up with the TLC match (as cero said), and thus E&C and the Hardy's would have never gotten over as good and no one'd consider them great tag teams. IMO, the Dudley's truly legitimized WWE's tag team division (which was trash bc the NAO were the 'dominant' team for about two or three years straight)

[ECWFlairfan]

I disagree; the Dudley's were the best tag team in the world from 98 til they split them up during the draft. the APA couldn't work as good as the Dudleys; they are nowhere NEAR as good a tag team.

I agree that the Hardyz/EC/Dudleyz spot could have been filled with any other team, we probably wouldn't have the TLC match today, but that feud was about tag teams wanting gold and nothing else really. Too Cool, The Hollies, APA, or The New Age Outlaws could have done it.

but i do also agree that the dudleyz were the best team as Badnewz mentions, probably not all the time from 98 til the split, but definitely in the top 3. at the end of the day, the dudley boyz is a team that pretty much survived most wrestling companies, ECW, WWF/E, TNA, and thus has been able to fight against the "best of the best" when it comes to tag teams, they've seen it pretty much all, and somehow been able to come on top of most of those encounters.

I gotta argue that had the Dudley's not shown up in WWE and introduced tables the way they did, tag team wrestling would have been as non-existent then as it is now in that company, they would have never come up with the TLC match (as cero said), and thus E&C and the Hardy's would have never gotten over as good and no one'd consider them great tag teams. IMO, the Dudley's truly legitimized WWE's tag team division (which was trash bc the NAO were the 'dominant' team for about two or three years straight)[/quote]

Which adds to my argument for Dudleys/3D as the 2nd best team of all time!!!

[Big Red Machine]

I disagree; the Dudley's were the best tag team in the world from 98 til they split them up during the draft. the APA couldn't work as good as the Dudleys; they are nowhere NEAR as good a tag team.

I agree that the Hardyz/EC/Dudleyz spot could have been filled with any other team, we probably wouldn't have the TLC match today, but that feud was about tag teams wanting gold and nothing else really. Too Cool, The Hollies, APA, or The New Age Outlaws could have done it.

but i do also agree that the dudleyz were the best team as Badnewz mentions, probably not all the time from 98 til the split, but definitely in the top 3. at the end of the day, the dudley boyz is a team that pretty much survived most wrestling companies, ECW, WWF/E, TNA, and thus has been able to fight against the "best of the best" when it comes to tag teams, they've seen it pretty much all, and somehow been able to come on top of most of those encounters.

I gotta argue that had the Dudley's not shown up in WWE and introduced tables the way they did, tag team wrestling would have been as non-existent then as it is now in that company, they would have never come up with the TLC match (as cero said), and thus E&C and the Hardy's would have never gotten over as good and no one'd consider them great tag teams. IMO, the Dudley's truly legitimized WWE's tag team division (which was trash bc the NAO were the 'dominant' team for about two or three years straight)

Which adds to my argument for Dudleys/3D as the 2nd best team of all time!!![/quote]

I disagree. We wouldn't have had the "Tables, Ladders, & Chairs" match... but so what. It is just a damn ladder match with a fancy name. We still would have gotten some super-hardcore ladder-match variant out of E&C, the Hardyz, & someone else (especially if it was a team like the APA), and that match would be just as respected as TLC.

As for the Dudleys "legitimizing" the WWE Tag Team division- COME ON! They had tons of other tag teams. E&C, the Hardys, the APA, NAO, The Hollys, Too Cool... why do the Dudleys (an indy team) "legitimize" the tag team division single-handedly coming in?

Doing that would be like saying that KoW coming in would "legitimize" the WWE Tag Team division. It is exactly the same situation... except that KoW have had more success now than the Dudleys had at that point (both in terms of widespread success and in terms of quality, lengthy, title reigns). But no one would say that KoW showing up would "legitimize" the WWE Tag Team division.

[ECWFlairfan]

I disagree. We wouldn't have had the "Tables, Ladders, & Chairs" match... but so what. It is just a damn ladder match with a fancy name. We still would have gotten some super-hardcore ladder-match variant out of E&C, the Hardyz, & someone else (especially if it was a team like the APA), and that match would be just as respected as TLC.

As for the Dudleys "legitimizing" the WWE Tag Team division- COME ON! They had tons of other tag teams. E&C, the Hardys, the APA, NAO, The Hollys, Too Cool... why do the Dudleys (an indy team) "legitimize" the tag team division single-handedly coming in?

Doing that would be like saying that KoW coming in would "legitimize" the WWE Tag Team division. It is exactly the same situation... except that KoW have had more success now than the Dudleys had at that point (both in terms of widespread success and in terms of quality, lengthy, title reigns). But no one would say that KoW showing up would "legitimize" the WWE Tag Team division.

Actually, given how crappy the current WWE tag team division is (WAY worse than it was when the Dudleys showed up--WWE still cared about tag team wrestling), yes a team like KOW would legitimize the division...

[Rabid619]

Actually, given how crappy the current WWE tag team division is (WAY worse than it was when the Dudleys showed up--WWE still cared about tag team wrestling), yes a team like KOW would legitimize the division...

Bringing in 1 great team to compete with mostly mediocre teams would not be legitimizing a division. Bringing in a few good teams along with a great team would do it though.

[ECWFlairfan]

Actually, given how crappy the current WWE tag team division is (WAY worse than it was when the Dudleys showed up--WWE still cared about tag team wrestling), yes a team like KOW would legitimize the division...

Bringing in 1 great team to compete with mostly mediocre teams would not be legitimizing a division. Bringing in a few good teams along with a great team would do it though.

1 great team would help though... especially one that most people in the IWC knows...

[badnewzxl]

Actually, given how crappy the current WWE tag team division is (WAY worse than it was when the Dudleys showed up--WWE still cared about tag team wrestling), yes a team like KOW would legitimize the division...

Bringing in 1 great team to compete with mostly mediocre teams would not be legitimizing a division. Bringing in a few good teams along with a great team would do it though.

Bringing in the top Team of the past year wouldn't legitimize the division? Having the top team in wrestling doesn't make you're division a legit division? I gotta call bs on that.

WWE had a couple of good teams: the Usos and Slater & Gabriel. You add the KoW and you have a good field. Koslov & Santino were a good team to have around, too (just as good as Too Cool)

[ECWFlairfan]

don't forget the Hart Dynasty... another WWE screwup...

[Rabid619]

Bringing in the top Team of the past year wouldn't legitimize the division? Having the top team in wrestling doesn't make you're division a legit division? I gotta call bs on that.

WWE had a couple of good teams: the Usos and Slater & Gabriel. You add the KoW and you have a good field. Koslov & Santino were a good team to have around, too (just as good as Too Cool)

And only 1 of those teams is still around. Slater & Gabriel broke up, Kozlov got released. All the WWE really has in the form of a good tag team at this moment is the Usos. There needs to be at least another team after adding the KoW if they want to legitimize it. I would put Ryder & Hawkins back together, they seemed alright together as the Majors before becoming Hawkins & Ryder.

Their so called tag team champions are bland, McGillicutty is a bit disappoint while Otunga just plain sucks.

KoW would be a great start to bringing back tag teams in the WWE but on their own, i can't see them despite how great they are, legitimizing the WWE tag team division with 1 good opponent in the Usos.

[Shogun Rua]

No other team could have been in place of the Dudleys, and made E&C and the Hardys as over as they were. Reason being, the Dudleys were already very well known for their tag team wrestling, so beating them was a legit big win. None of the other teams had really captured any major tag gold outside of the WWE. Plus, the Dudleys were real badasses. Had it been anyone else, nobody would have gotten as over, because they were all WWE teams that had really only done things in the WWE.

[badnewzxl]

don't forget the Hart Dynasty... another WWE screwup...

yep; they could have thrown Masters in a team with Ryder and given those guys something to do. Everyone acts like being in a tag team holds you back, but had there not been tag team wrestling Bret, HBK, Edge, Christian, Jeff Hardy, Scott Steiner, Booker T, and Davey Boy Smith might have never gained enough momentum to be pushed as singles wrestlers. Tyson Kidd was a tag champ; now he has nothing. They guy is DAMN good, but I bet money he'll be released before this time next year.

WWE has this stupid habit of splitting teams up in order to give them or one of them a "push" and then allowing them to remain dormant to the point that they're useless; then they release them. Look at Shad; look at what they did to Charlie Haas. Morrison's the fourth or fifth best face in the company and he's not even on the card for 2nite's ppv! They've not wanted to push him for years, DESPITE him being mega over with the crowd and stealing the show time after time. They might as well have kept MNM going; he'd still be a top guy, the tag team would be considered on of the best in the world (right up there with Beer Money, KoW, and Briscoes), and he could have PURPOSE! Look at what happened when they split up London and Kendrick; both guys are great singles wrestlers, but you can't push forty guys as singles wrestlers; that's when tag teams are useful.

Even when they were a tag team, the Steiners were considered damn good (if not great) singles wrestlers; as were the Briscoes, Beniot & Malenko, RVD & Sabu, Haas & Benjamin, Beer Money, the Faces of Fear, Wrath & Mortis, the Dudleys, etc, etc, etc.

[badnewzxl]

No other team could have been in place of the Dudleys, and made E&C and the Hardys as over as they were. Reason being, the Dudleys were already very well known for their tag team wrestling, so beating them was a legit big win. None of the other teams had really captured any major tag gold outside of the WWE. Plus, the Dudleys were real badasses. Had it been anyone else, nobody would have gotten as over, because they were all WWE teams that had really only done things in the WWE.

Shogun: YOU SAID IT PERFECT, BROTHER!

[Big Red Machine]

Actually, given how crappy the current WWE tag team division is (WAY worse than it was when the Dudleys showed up--WWE still cared about tag team wrestling), yes a team like KOW would legitimize the division...

Bringing in 1 great team to compete with mostly mediocre teams would not be legitimizing a division. Bringing in a few good teams along with a great team would do it though.

Bringing in the top Team of the past year wouldn't legitimize the division? Having the top team in wrestling doesn't make you're division a legit division? I gotta call bs on that.

WWE had a couple of good teams: the Usos and Slater & Gabriel. You add the KoW and you have a good field. Koslov & Santino were a good team to have around, too (just as good as Too Cool)

Slater & Gabriel are no longer a team. The Usos are good, but them, with KoW, make a division of TWO. That is not a division.

Anyway my point was that no one team makes or "legitimizes" a division. To think so is utterly ridiculous.

[Styles]

Anyway my point was that no one team makes or "legitimizes" a division. To think so is utterly ridiculous.

I agree. You need a mixture of teams, just because KoW are tag team of the year or whatever, doesn't mean they can make it work anywhere, you need at least 5 or 6 teams to really call it a division. being Tag Team champions over 1 team, is just default. Being better than 5 or more teams, means you have guys spending their careers working to beat you, to be better than you to win tournaments and gold.... rather than slopped together teams there to be beaten by KoW, that doesn't make for a good show or a believable hearing when you hear "we have these belts we're the best in the world" instantly your brain goes "Dude, it's you and the Uso's"