Chikara: Is it Really Dead? And if so, Who Killed It?

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Chikara: Is it Really Dead? And if so, Who Killed It?

Post by Big Red Machine » Jul 2nd, '13, 23:03

http://chikaralives.files.wordpress.com ... ad-2-0.pdf

Just found this. Haven't read it yet, though, because it is F*CKING LONG. Will likely get through some of it tomorrow.
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Re: Chikara: Is it Really Dead? And if so, Who Killed It?

Post by Big Red Machine » Jul 3rd, '13, 13:58

Haven't finished reading this yet, but I need to point two things out:
1 (p. 18). The connection to the Book of Malachai isn't as solid as it seems. The quote being referred to doesn't actually use "Elohim" but rather the Tetragramaton (the four letter name of G-d that you are traditionally not supposed to pronounce [if you transliterate it to English through both Greek and Latin, you wind up with Jehovah]. Traditionally, the use of different names/titles for G-d in the Bible alludes to different divine attributes, though I forget which are which. If you know anything about Documentary Hypothesis, the Tetragramaton is J to Elohim's E.

Anyway, what it translates as "Day of Elohim (the 'Last Judgment')" is also a bit of mistranslation. It actually translates to "Day [of] G-d (here being the Tetragramaton). Judgment is not mentioned at all, but is implied from the context

2 (p. 19). when it tires to relate things to actual American politics, it claims that Bush "stole" (it's words, not mine) the election in 2004... which is wrong. There are very few people who will dispute Bush's victory in 2004. 2000 was the controversial year.

3. It says that Hero beat Quack with the reversal to the CHIKARA Special, which never happened.
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Re: Chikara: Is it Really Dead? And if so, Who Killed It?

Post by Big Red Machine » Jul 3rd, '13, 17:15

Just finished reading this and I don't know what to say. A lot of it feels like grasping at straws... but that's what it felt like when Robert and Danielle talked about it on the Mandible Claw podcasts, too, and they turned out to be right. I believe some of it... but then I internally chastise myself for believing things whose evidence seems to be so ridiculously flimsy. All I know is that I REALLY want answers to all of this.
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Re: Chikara: Is it Really Dead? And if so, Who Killed It?

Post by Bob-O » Jul 4th, '13, 10:02

I couldn't be any more removed from the Chikara situation, so I'll go into this admitting that I don't know what I'm talking about.

That said, the lack of information to people that seem to be demanding it coupled with all this cryptic stuff... seems like it's not really dead.
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Re: Chikara: Is it Really Dead? And if so, Who Killed It?

Post by Shogun Rua » Aug 29th, '13, 11:40

Most intricate story ever told in wrestling?

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Re: Chikara: Is it Really Dead? And if so, Who Killed It?

Post by Big Red Machine » Aug 29th, '13, 12:15

Shogun Rua wrote:Most intricate story ever told in wrestling?
Easily. What else comes close? The only thing I can think of is the whole BDK set-up, but that was nowhere near this crazy.
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