Re: Day-to-Day Quote Topic
Posted: Apr 9th, '21, 23:04
That Western Canadian Connection is bearing more fruit.
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Yeah. It felt like something they felt they had to do because of NJPW.
They seem to be and that's where the ROH connection probably started, RUSH and co. left CMLL in somewhat bad terms (I mean, everyone leaves CMLL in bad terms in CMLL's perspective), and now they work with ROH. Matt Taven has been announced for that promotion, but also Penta, Fenix, Bandido (who also just quit CMLL), and per LuchaBlog, Diamante Azul (who is a current CMLL champ I think) seems to be also jumping. CMLL is a mess since Paco Alonso passed away.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Apr 27th, '21, 17:54Yeah. It felt like something they felt they had to do because of NJPW.
I don't know anything about this new promotion, but I'd be curious to see if the Munoz family is somehow involved, because as low key as the partnership has been, it doesn't seem worth it to break willy-nilly.
Not that Omega wasn't a big part of this this show, but I don't think it's quite as simple as just Omega. The whole hook for this show (and the build to it) was a lot better than BFG from what I understand. I'm also not certain that the buyrate would have been any different if it was Moxley or Jericho or Cody or even MJF in that spot.
Obviously no one is going to displace CMLL at any point in the next fifty years unless something catastrophic happens (I read somewhere that they only have to draw about 2,000 to Arena Mexico to break even because they get all of the gate, concessions, and parking money as opposed to just merch and their share of the gate), but if this promotion has six of the country's bigger stars (plus possibly even a returning La Sombra) they could easily be a new major player, right (especially with the sh*t-show the other two have been)?cero2k wrote: ↑Apr 27th, '21, 18:32They seem to be and that's where the ROH connection probably started, RUSH and co. left CMLL in somewhat bad terms (I mean, everyone leaves CMLL in bad terms in CMLL's perspective), and now they work with ROH. Matt Taven has been announced for that promotion, but also Penta, Fenix, Bandido (who also just quit CMLL), and per LuchaBlog, Diamante Azul (who is a current CMLL champ I think) seems to be also jumping. CMLL is a mess since Paco Alonso passed away.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Apr 27th, '21, 17:54Yeah. It felt like something they felt they had to do because of NJPW.
I don't know anything about this new promotion, but I'd be curious to see if the Munoz family is somehow involved, because as low key as the partnership has been, it doesn't seem worth it to break willy-nilly.
Yes, obviously it's not Omega by himself, it's the whole idea of a title vs title and Omega's storyline, but not everyone could pull it off I think, it's not like Mox is doing big sells for Bloodsport for instance, nor will Mox vs Gage.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Apr 28th, '21, 20:48
Not that Omega wasn't a big part of this this show, but I don't think it's quite as simple as just Omega. The whole hook for this show (and the build to it) was a lot better than BFG from what I understand. I'm also not certain that the buyrate would have been any different if it was Moxley or Jericho or Cody or even MJF in that spot.
Also, "8th biggest PPV since August" doesn't sound that great. I mean... what other PPVs have their been? 3 from AEW, 2 from ROH, and a few from TNA (surely not enough people to be relevant have been paying for WWE big shows on PPV rather than the Network at this point). I guess it could include UFC, too.
I'm curious to find out how it did relative to the AEW PPVs (I imagine it did a lot better than ROH has, although I also don't know how many people are ordering ROH on PPV instead of getting the PPVs free with their yearly Honor Club subscription, but my guess is that even they were, this TNA show would have done better than Final Battle).
Bloodsport doesn't have TV.cero2k wrote: ↑Apr 28th, '21, 23:13Yes, obviously it's not Omega by himself, it's the whole idea of a title vs title and Omega's storyline, but not everyone could pull it off I think, it's not like Mox is doing big sells for Bloodsport for instance, nor will Mox vs Gage.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Apr 28th, '21, 20:48
Not that Omega wasn't a big part of this this show, but I don't think it's quite as simple as just Omega. The whole hook for this show (and the build to it) was a lot better than BFG from what I understand. I'm also not certain that the buyrate would have been any different if it was Moxley or Jericho or Cody or even MJF in that spot.
Also, "8th biggest PPV since August" doesn't sound that great. I mean... what other PPVs have their been? 3 from AEW, 2 from ROH, and a few from TNA (surely not enough people to be relevant have been paying for WWE big shows on PPV rather than the Network at this point). I guess it could include UFC, too.
I'm curious to find out how it did relative to the AEW PPVs (I imagine it did a lot better than ROH has, although I also don't know how many people are ordering ROH on PPV instead of getting the PPVs free with their yearly Honor Club subscription, but my guess is that even they were, this TNA show would have done better than Final Battle).
I think it'd be a big disappointment if they didn't beat ROH (and if it turns out that they didn't because ROH has actually been doing great numbers then that's a big miss on the wrestling media's part to not have piked up on that).
Typical WWE... um... I mean TNA, going overboard with something just because it worked once under special circumstances.
I mean, you're right, but they started before the Omega match. They've done segments with people expressing concern about the titles leaving the promotion a few months ago when FinJuice won the tag titles, and D'Amore kinda being like "yeah yeah i know". That's why I'm wondering if it's a plan to move all the titles out of Impact by Slammiversary or BFG. If anything else, Impact may be trying to have a PPV with people from all over the world.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 1st, '21, 21:15
Typical WWE... um... I mean TNA, going overboard with something just because it worked once under special circumstances.
Having the company lose all the belts to set up them trying to win them back at the PPV feels a little silly with no real threat to the company if they don't have them. I think the latter option makes more sense. But either way, good to hear that this seems to be something they set up rather than something thrown together as a knee-jerk reaction to one thing that worked.cero2k wrote: ↑May 1st, '21, 21:51I mean, you're right, but they started before the Omega match. They've done segments with people expressing concern about the titles leaving the promotion a few months ago when FinJuice won the tag titles, and D'Amore kinda being like "yeah yeah i know". That's why I'm wondering if it's a plan to move all the titles out of Impact by Slammiversary or BFG. If anything else, Impact may be trying to have a PPV with people from all over the world.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 1st, '21, 21:15
Typical WWE... um... I mean TNA, going overboard with something just because it worked once under special circumstances.