e-moose wrote:OK BRM, you insist that there must be a much bigger motive for the A&8s than merely putting the title on Bully Ray. You also insist that all the initial focus the group put on Hogan iz not satisfied. So I've thought of a mind blowing scenario for you.

We begin to hear the odd rumblingz among the A&8s mentioning some sort of "supreme leader". We find out Brooke iz pregnant (I can just smell that coming regardless of any of the rest). Hogan, already right f'd up by the whole Bully Ray deceit, now completely lozez hiz mind. He sayz he needz some time off from hiz dutiez az GM. Now he haz to find a temporary replacement. After much deliberation, he decidez to hand over the reignz to who else? Hiz best buddy Sting.

You know... Sting... The Insane Icon... the first guy who went to bat for Bully Ray, and played such a big role in convincing Hogan to trust him. Sting... later revealed az the "supreme leader". Maybe hiz official title will be "Icon" of the A&8s.

So now the group not only haz the title but runz the show, plus they've put the screwz to Hogan & TNA fully. Would that satisfy your concernz? ...or doez this just open a whole other can of wormz?

Big Red Machine wrote:
1. Do you really think they had time to start a secret MC while working a WWE road schedule?

2. This is TNA. Do you really think they would turn down ex-WWE guys? They had MONTHS between the debut of the group and Doc's reveal. There must have been a way to get them hired (or even not get them hired. Just have them jump guardrails... that seems to work decently well enough in wrestling promotions and almost always leads to a contract.

3. if the goal is the World Heavyweight Title, then the trust of Hogan and Sting is irrelevant! They could have helped Bully cheat to (and I use this word loosely) earn title matches, and everything would have happened a lot sooner!

4. He wouldn't be meddling in the club's affairs if they hadn't decided to "invade" TNA as a group of outsiders. Additionally, Bully JUST got done feuding with Parks. He has seen the man snap, so why torture him and risk him going all Abyss on their asses in their clubhouse, then escaping and revealing everything?

7. Of course it was! If anyone found out that he was working with a group of outsiders who were orchestrating attacks on TNA employees, TNA has every reason to fire him!

8. Doesn't fit in with the storyline, though. Why would Anderson join them after they beat him up? "Just to be an asshole" doesn't cut it. His stated reason was that Sting didn't trust him or didn't think he was tough or whatever. There are plenty of other ways for Anderson to prove his toughness or get back at Sting that are much more in character than joining a motorcycle gang whose sole purpose is to put the TNA World Heavyweight Title on Bully Ray.

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:
1. Do you really think they had time to start a secret MC while working a WWE road schedule?

2. This is TNA. Do you really think they would turn down ex-WWE guys? They had MONTHS between the debut of the group and Doc's reveal. There must have been a way to get them hired (or even not get them hired. Just have them jump guardrails... that seems to work decently well enough in wrestling promotions and almost always leads to a contract.

3. if the goal is the World Heavyweight Title, then the trust of Hogan and Sting is irrelevant! They could have helped Bully cheat to (and I use this word loosely) earn title matches, and everything would have happened a lot sooner!

4. He wouldn't be meddling in the club's affairs if they hadn't decided to "invade" TNA as a group of outsiders. Additionally, Bully JUST got done feuding with Parks. He has seen the man snap, so why torture him and risk him going all Abyss on their asses in their clubhouse, then escaping and revealing everything?

7. Of course it was! If anyone found out that he was working with a group of outsiders who were orchestrating attacks on TNA employees, TNA has every reason to fire him!

8. Doesn't fit in with the storyline, though. Why would Anderson join them after they beat him up? "Just to be an asshole" doesn't cut it. His stated reason was that Sting didn't trust him or didn't think he was tough or whatever. There are plenty of other ways for Anderson to prove his toughness or get back at Sting that are much more in character than joining a motorcycle gang whose sole purpose is to put the TNA World Heavyweight Title on Bully Ray.

(1) yeah, they have to travel by road sometimes, why not just ride a motorcycle. Hell, American Badass undertaker used to be the former president and Chuck Palumbo is still part of the club, but in the California chapter.

(2) they did turned down Snitsky

(3) But you have to earn the title shot, the way things have been working for the last year or so is that Hogan decides who's the No 1 contender for any title, it's like there's no more No 1 contenders matches, only matches to please Hogan so he can later choose his own son in law. Plus this wasn't only about fooling Hogan and Sting, Ray also wanted to fool the fans.

(4) Sometimes we like to live dangerously, you worry too much about taking risks plus snapped Parks never seems to remember what happened so i don't think the would need to worry about him revealing stuff.

(7) if Taz, Anderson, Briscoe, or Garrett didn't get fired, why would D'lo? Hogan can't fire D'lo, he is under Dixie's jurisdiction.

(8) maybe you're right about just being an asshole is not a good enough reason to join the club, but if he's trying to get back at Sting, this is one likely answers, especially after Anderson was approached by them, he wasn't the one who went looking for them. Maybe he will end up being a spy for Sting.

cero2k wrote:
(3) AJ is supposed to return on thursday according to last show

Big Red Machine wrote:
3. This is actually a very good point. I will concede that the angle makes some sense

4. Until he unsnaps and finds himself in the clubhouse with all of the Aces & Eights guys knocked out and he peeks under their masks.

7. With Taz it was explained that he had some stip in his contract that prevented him from being fired or hurt (which makes TNA look like morons for signing someone to a contract like that). As for Garrett, Anderson, and Briscoe... that's a damn good question why TNA hasn't fired them. My assumption is that they figured that firing them wouldn't matter because they are still entitled to access to the Impact Zone because of the stips from BFG, but they really should have been clarified on the air (along with why they were allowed to show up on the UK tour, as that wasn't the Impact Zone).

8. Possible... but let's be honest. This is TNA here.

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:
3. This is actually a very good point. I will concede that the angle makes some sense

4. Until he unsnaps and finds himself in the clubhouse with all of the Aces & Eights guys knocked out and he peeks under their masks.

7. With Taz it was explained that he had some stip in his contract that prevented him from being fired or hurt (which makes TNA look like morons for signing someone to a contract like that). As for Garrett, Anderson, and Briscoe... that's a damn good question why TNA hasn't fired them. My assumption is that they figured that firing them wouldn't matter because they are still entitled to access to the Impact Zone because of the stips from BFG, but they really should have been clarified on the air (along with why they were allowed to show up on the UK tour, as that wasn't the Impact Zone).

8. Possible... but let's be honest. This is TNA here.

4. that wimp would likely faint at the sight of carnage hopefully they had him sedated

7. these are the little things i usually look past, otherwise why wouldn't you ever expect GMs to fire the people they don't like or that are doing bad stuff.

8. i'm confident that someone will eventually leave Aces and Eights now that they have control (I'm also expecting for DOC and Knox to capture the tag titles soon) and the perfect choice is Anderson who can really work the babyface side, he was the last to enter the group, they could easily play out that Sting and him had an agreement that Anderson would infiltrate the team.

e-moose wrote:Gotta put my 2 cents in on 7 & 8.

7. In 1998 Stone Cold Steve Austin week after week did everything he could to disrupt the company and the boss. Why wuz he not fired right from the start? It really didn't make sense (and I wuz actually thinking that at the time it wuz happening). There will alwayz be thingz in wrestling that make no sense. This particular nonsensical scenario became the biggest selling feud in wrestling history.

If everything has to make sense, your best bet is to stop watching wrestling. It's never going to make sense. Don't bother switching to watching the newz either. I tried that. Theze dayz the newz media make az much sense az wrestling. I suggest giving up televizion entirely. There'z barely anything offered there that makes sense. Maybe cooking showz or local sports? The Discovery Channel?

8. Misterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... Annnnnndersonnnnnnnnnnnnnn... Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnndersooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, I believe, iz infiltrating the group privately (hiz own mission) with nobody else knowing. This does suit hiz character. He may be doing it for personal gain, or he may be doing it for TNA, or both, but either way, he'z working entirely in secret.