I'm spoiler free for the moat part and intend on staying like that til the DVDs come out, but so far from Meltzer I've heard

- Ospreay/Ricochet/Sydal vs Mt Rushmore was one of the best tag matches he's seen. There's a pic out there of Dave standing ringside with his mouth open during a spot.

- Liger's match was the "best singles match I can recall in a long time"

- I'm hearing Dunne and Haskins killed it. Andrews apparently was great, but i don't think Red will like it.

- I'm hearing Rhodes vs Callihan was tons of fun

- Gallagher couldn't make it and his replacement was Ciampa

- Castle's boys for night one is a treat and should make the match amazing

cero2k wrote:

- Castle's boys for night one is a treat and should make the match amazing

I have seen the pictures, and my thoughts on it are as follows: I am okay with it if it was set up by some kind of angle where his opponents (is this Cole & the Bucks?) specifically challenge him to a match where it is them vs. Dalton & the Boys, and this is the babyfaces' way of outsmarting the heels. If they just did it for sh*ts and giggles, then that's stupid.

Any idea on the turnaround for said DVDs?

In the most talked-about item of news to come out of (I think) the third show, a wrestler you would not expect to do so apparently requested that another wrestler you wouldn't expect to do so perform a certain sexual favor in the ring.

Big Red Machine wrote:

cero2k wrote:

- Castle's boys for night one is a treat and should make the match amazing

I have seen the pictures, and my thoughts on it are as follows: I am okay with it if it was set up by some kind of angle where his opponents (is this Cole & the Bucks?) specifically challenge him to a match where it is them vs. Dalton & the Boys, and this is the babyfaces' way of outsmarting the heels. If they just did it for sh*ts and giggles, then that's stupid.

Being PWG I wouldn't be surprised that Cole did say something before the match, but I don't know if it will make it to the DVDs.

As to when they come out, usually around October

Big Red Machine wrote:In the most talked-about item of news to come out of (I think) the third show, a wrestler you would not expect to do so apparently requested that another wrestler you wouldn't expect to do so perform a certain sexual favor in the ring.

This seems to happen quite a lot in pwg

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:

cero2k wrote:

- Castle's boys for night one is a treat and should make the match amazing

I have seen the pictures, and my thoughts on it are as follows: I am okay with it if it was set up by some kind of angle where his opponents (is this Cole & the Bucks?) specifically challenge him to a match where it is them vs. Dalton & the Boys, and this is the babyfaces' way of outsmarting the heels. If they just did it for sh*ts and giggles, then that's stupid.

Being PWG I wouldn't be surprised that Cole did say something before the match, but I don't know if it will make it to the DVDs.

If you're going to do a segment, why not put it on the DVD?

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:In the most talked-about item of news to come out of (I think) the third show, a wrestler you would not expect to do so apparently requested that another wrestler you wouldn't expect to do so perform a certain sexual favor in the ring.

This seems to happen quite a lot in pwg

Yeah, but this one was different.

Big Red Machine wrote:

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote: I have seen the pictures, and my thoughts on it are as follows: I am okay with it if it was set up by some kind of angle where his opponents (is this Cole & the Bucks?) specifically challenge him to a match where it is them vs. Dalton & the Boys, and this is the babyfaces' way of outsmarting the heels. If they just did it for sh*ts and giggles, then that's stupid.

Being PWG I wouldn't be surprised that Cole did say something before the match, but I don't know if it will make it to the DVDs.

If you're going to do a segment, why not put it on the DVD?

because it has to do with an entrance that PWG doesn't add to the DVDs

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:

cero2k wrote: Being PWG I wouldn't be surprised that Cole did say something before the match, but I don't know if it will make it to the DVDs.

If you're going to do a segment, why not put it on the DVD?

because it has to do with an entrance that PWG doesn't add to the DVDs

So film it backstage. The best part about Cole vs. Roddy were the backstage segments on Lemmy, and some of the best parts of the best storyline PWG has ever done (Hero/Candice/Tornado) were backstage.

Big Red Machine wrote: So film it backstage. The best part about Cole vs. Roddy were the backstage segments on Lemmy, and some of the best parts of the best storyline PWG has ever done (Hero/Candice/Tornado) were backstage.

why do we need to make everything a story? it was just reDragon tagging along with Castle, they're not building to a huge angle or anything, it was just a match

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote: So film it backstage. The best part about Cole vs. Roddy were the backstage segments on Lemmy, and some of the best parts of the best storyline PWG has ever done (Hero/Candice/Tornado) were backstage.

why do we need to make everything a story? it was just reDragon tagging along with Castle, they're not building to a huge angle or anything, it was just a match

Why do we need to have everything be silly? If reDRagon are going to be Dalton's Boys for a night, I'd prefer that there be a reason for it other than just "because LOL." It doesn't have to be a huge angle. Just a one-off to explain why this has happened.

Big Red Machine wrote:

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote: So film it backstage. The best part about Cole vs. Roddy were the backstage segments on Lemmy, and some of the best parts of the best storyline PWG has ever done (Hero/Candice/Tornado) were backstage.

why do we need to make everything a story? it was just reDragon tagging along with Castle, they're not building to a huge angle or anything, it was just a match

Why do we need to have everything be silly? If reDRagon are going to be Dalton's Boys for a night, I'd prefer that there be a reason for it other than just "because LOL." It doesn't have to be a huge angle. Just a one-off to explain why this has happened.

it's BOLA, the story is in the tournament, not the in between tag matches, this can be silly because the rest of the matches have something going on in them.

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:

cero2k wrote: why do we need to make everything a story? it was just reDragon tagging along with Castle, they're not building to a huge angle or anything, it was just a match

Why do we need to have everything be silly? If reDRagon are going to be Dalton's Boys for a night, I'd prefer that there be a reason for it other than just "because LOL." It doesn't have to be a huge angle. Just a one-off to explain why this has happened.

it's BOLA, the story is in the tournament, not the in between tag matches, this can be silly because the rest of the matches have something going on in them.

Just because there is a story in the tournament doesn't mean there can't be a story outside of it.
And as for your justification that "this can be silly because the rest of the matches have something going on in them," then why do BOLA matches including last year's FINALS often have silly comedy in them?

Big Red Machine wrote:

cero2k wrote: Just because there is a story in the tournament doesn't mean there can't be a story outside of it.
And as for your justification that "this can be silly because the rest of the matches have something going on in them," then why do BOLA matches including last year's FINALS often have silly comedy in them?

because this is not "we take ourselves way to serious" ROH or EVOLVE, this is PWG, their logo is a Gorilla. Not everything needs a story, not everything needs to be super serious, people like to have fun and they do it, and still have the best wrestling in the US if not the whole continent. You want stories with other non-tournament matches, you'll get them with Pentagon and Fenix, with this one you just had a good match with a fun swerve.

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote:

cero2k wrote: Just because there is a story in the tournament doesn't mean there can't be a story outside of it.
And as for your justification that "this can be silly because the rest of the matches have something going on in them," then why do BOLA matches including last year's FINALS often have silly comedy in them?

because this is not "we take ourselves way to serious" ROH or EVOLVE, this is PWG, their logo is a Gorilla. Not everything needs a story, not everything needs to be super serious, people like to have fun and they do it, and still have the best wrestling in the US if not the whole continent. You want stories with other non-tournament matches, you'll get them with Pentagon and Fenix, with this one you just had a good match with a fun swerve.

It's not a matter of it being "super-serious." It's a matter of Bobby and Kyle acting completely out of character for one match with no explanation, when the explanation would be both very simple and also in-keeping with the tone that PWG likes to have.

Big Red Machine wrote: It's not a matter of it being "super-serious." It's a matter of Bobby and Kyle acting completely out of character for one match with no explanation, when the explanation would be both very simple and also in-keeping with the tone that PWG likes to have.

Maybe they've been closet boys from the start, Tony Nese and Chuck Taylor were once too, I mean, we ARE talking about SleazyDragon here, it's not all out of character imo, and it's perfect considering that KOR would do anything to get his hands on Cole anyway. You don't need the tv to tell you all the stories, just grab whatever makes sense for you

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote: It's not a matter of it being "super-serious." It's a matter of Bobby and Kyle acting completely out of character for one match with no explanation, when the explanation would be both very simple and also in-keeping with the tone that PWG likes to have.

Maybe they've been closet boys from the start, Tony Nese and Chuck Taylor were once too, I mean, we ARE talking about SleazyDragon here, it's not all out of character imo, and it's perfect considering that KOR would do anything to get his hands on Cole anyway. You don't need the tv to tell you all the stories, just grab whatever makes sense for you

The problem is that these "stories" wind up contradicting each other at some point. If Kyle and Bobby were closet "Boys" why have they come out of the closet? And if they have, why will they not continue to be Boys of Dalton's from here on out? You can't tell a "story" that only makes sense in the moment and is never followed up on later. At that point it's not a story because stories require that sort of follow-up. It's just a random occurrence designed based on someone's wacky interpretation of comedy. I see no comedy in Kyle and Bobby dressed up as Boys. What's funny about that? They're dressing up like showgirls and being Dalton's submissives? Okay. Good for them if that's who they are, but where's the comedy?
But if you have this as Dalton outsmarting the heels, then there is comedy in Bobby and Kyle needing to go through the Boys' routine in order for Dalton to pass them off as his "Boys" so that everything fits through the loophole.

Big Red Machine wrote: The problem is that these "stories" wind up contradicting each other at some point. If Kyle and Bobby were closet "Boys" why have they come out of the closet? And if they have, why will they not continue to be Boys of Dalton's from here on out? You can't tell a "story" that only makes sense in the moment and is never followed up on later. At that point it's not a story because stories require that sort of follow-up. It's just a random occurrence designed based on someone's wacky interpretation of comedy. I see no comedy in Kyle and Bobby dressed up as Boys. What's funny about that? They're dressing up like showgirls and being Dalton's submissives? Okay. Good for them if that's who they are, but where's the comedy?
But if you have this as Dalton outsmarting the heels, then there is comedy in Bobby and Kyle needing to go through the Boys' routine in order for Dalton to pass them off as his "Boys" so that everything fits through the loophole.

this is what i'm talking about, why does everything need to have a story? this is not WWE, TNA, ROH, not even NJPW. it was a one night thing, maybe Dalton asked for help, maybe they're closet boys, maybe they lost their gear in the airport, maybe KOR wanted to fight the Rushmore, maybe none of the above, why does it matter?

Why are Fenix and Pentagon teaming?
Why did Scurll come out to congratulate Sabre Jr when he won the title?
Why wasn't Chucky T in BOLA?

not everything needs to have an explanation, especially not in PWG.

cero2k wrote:

Big Red Machine wrote: The problem is that these "stories" wind up contradicting each other at some point. If Kyle and Bobby were closet "Boys" why have they come out of the closet? And if they have, why will they not continue to be Boys of Dalton's from here on out? You can't tell a "story" that only makes sense in the moment and is never followed up on later. At that point it's not a story because stories require that sort of follow-up. It's just a random occurrence designed based on someone's wacky interpretation of comedy. I see no comedy in Kyle and Bobby dressed up as Boys. What's funny about that? They're dressing up like showgirls and being Dalton's submissives? Okay. Good for them if that's who they are, but where's the comedy?
But if you have this as Dalton outsmarting the heels, then there is comedy in Bobby and Kyle needing to go through the Boys' routine in order for Dalton to pass them off as his "Boys" so that everything fits through the loophole.

this is what i'm talking about, why does everything need to have a story? this is not WWE, TNA, ROH, not even NJPW. it was a one night thing, maybe Dalton asked for help, maybe they're closet boys, maybe they lost their gear in the airport, maybe KOR wanted to fight the Rushmore, maybe none of the above, why does it matter?

Why are Fenix and Pentagon teaming?
Why did Scurll come out to congratulate Sabre Jr when he won the title?
Why wasn't Chucky T in BOLA?

not everything needs to have an explanation, especially not in PWG.

Because it's pro wrestling and not sketch comedy. For the sake of suspension of disbelief, people acting out of character should be avoided at all costs. If you want comedy, do it in a comedy match.

If Dalton asked them for help, then that doesn't explain why they were dressed up as Boys.
If Kyle just wanted to fight Mt. Rushmore, why did he and Fish have to dress up like Dalton's Boys?
If they are closet Boys, why are outing themselves?
If they lost their gear at the airport surely they would have had time to find more gear- or at least shorts and a t-shirt.

Fenix & Pentagon are teaming because they were booked to do so by the promotion.
Scurll came out to congratulate Zack because they are tag team partners in the UK.
Chuck Taylor wasn't in BOLA because he wasn't available the first two nights.

These are all simple, straightforward explanations for simple happenings.