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Nothing great performance wise about the Miz.

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 16:23 Nothing great performance wise about the Miz.

There is if he is in there with the right guy. Have you already forgotten his match against Rollins?

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 16:34

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 16:23 Nothing great performance wise about the Miz.

There is if he is in there with the right guy. Have you already forgotten his match against Rollins?

Yes, actually. Simply put the guy can't be great by himself. That's being carried. He's simply good-average. Bo Dallas and Axel are better than him, and they're the two biggest dumbasses lol.

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 16:41

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 16:34

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 16:23 Nothing great performance wise about the Miz.

There is if he is in there with the right guy. Have you already forgotten his match against Rollins?

Yes, actually. Simply put the guy can't be great by himself. That's being carried. He's simply good-average. Bo Dallas and Axel are better than him, and they're the two biggest dumbasses lol.

I don't think Bo is better than Miz.
And yes, that's being carried, but it's not "being carried" in the sense of a smaller guy "working around" a big lumbering giant like Khali, or Flair doing his "Ric Flair match" with Sting at the Clash and carrying Sting to an amazing match, or Regal telling someone to "just hold on" and tangling himself in and out of holds. Miz does bring his own spin to a match. It comes with drawbacks, but it does also have strengths- particularly his trash-talking and the resentment fans have towards him in terms of things like him getting pushes when Dragon or Kofi or Punk or Anderson or Cody or whoever didn't- and when you put him in there with a guy like Bryan where they can take advantage of that dynamic to tell a story that wouldn't be possible with anyone else, then I think Miz does deserve credit for bringing a key ingredient to the match.

That's all charisma/Mic skills/character work. Which is pretty much his whole entire thing. Kind of slightly above that Alexis Bliss/Carmella discussion we recently had.

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 17:00 That's all charisma/Mic skills/character work. Which is pretty much his whole entire thing. Kind of slightly above that Alexis Bliss/Carmella discussion we recently had.

Miz isn't a bad wrestler by any stretch. He's just not a particularly great one, either. Comparisons to Carmella are ridiculous.

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 17:00 That's all charisma/Mic skills/character work. Which is pretty much his whole entire thing. Kind of slightly above that Alexis Bliss/Carmella discussion we recently had.

Miz is a "diva".

Absolutely lol.

Bob-O wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 18:52

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 17:00 That's all charisma/Mic skills/character work. Which is pretty much his whole entire thing. Kind of slightly above that Alexis Bliss/Carmella discussion we recently had.

Miz is a "diva".

Not quite. The Mason Ryan-types are the male equivalent of a Diva. Miz (and Bliss, and even Carmella) are more like your Billy Graham or Kevin Nash type who got their spot due to their body and their promo skills rather than their wrestling (but aren't necessarily terrible wrestlers, either, but they're not outstanding in the ring, either).

I mean, but by that logic, again, just like those two, he's not a whole lot more than Mic skills and other similar attributes lol. I'd even go as far as to say "The male equivalent of Alexa Bliss."

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 19:39 I mean, but by that logic, again, just like those two, he's not a whole lot more than Mic skills and other similar attributes lol. I'd even go as far as to say "The male equivalent of Alexa Bliss."

Right. But my point is that talking is an important skill in pro wrestling. It's not like Alexa or Miz are someone like Dana Brooke or Brakkus who are only hired and/or pushed solely off of their look.

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 19:23

Bob-O wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 18:52

KILLdozer wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 17:00 That's all charisma/Mic skills/character work. Which is pretty much his whole entire thing. Kind of slightly above that Alexis Bliss/Carmella discussion we recently had.

Miz is a "diva".

Not quite. The Mason Ryan-types are the male equivalent of a Diva. Miz (and Bliss, and even Carmella) are more like your Billy Graham or Kevin Nash type who got their spot due to their body and their promo skills rather than their wrestling (but aren't necessarily terrible wrestlers, either, but they're not outstanding in the ring, either).

It can be narrowed down, but on the broad spectrum, there are two types of talent: "Entertainers" (divas) and Wrestlers. In this broad, two column generalization; I would not put Miz with the wrestlers.

Because he's a Diva.

Shawn Micheals was a Diva who could wrestle, Brett was a Wrestling diva... and I think they belong in different columns.

Yeah...you have the Carmellas...Alexa Bliss...Dana Brooke...then Sasha Banks...Asuka...Bailey...Kairi Sane....then Seth Rollins...Finn Balor...AJ Styles....Bryan...Richochet and other NXT guys...then the Miz, ...and...others lol.

Bob-O wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 21:09

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 19:23

Bob-O wrote: ↑Aug 19th, '18, 18:52

Miz is a "diva".

Not quite. The Mason Ryan-types are the male equivalent of a Diva. Miz (and Bliss, and even Carmella) are more like your Billy Graham or Kevin Nash type who got their spot due to their body and their promo skills rather than their wrestling (but aren't necessarily terrible wrestlers, either, but they're not outstanding in the ring, either).

It can be narrowed down, but on the broad spectrum, there are two types of talent: "Entertainers" (divas) and Wrestlers. In this broad, two column generalization; I would not put Miz with the wrestlers.

Because he's a Diva.

Shawn Micheals was a Diva who could wrestle, Brett was a Wrestling diva... and I think they belong in different columns.

And my point is that I think they shouldn't be looked at as three separate columns. It's a Venn diagram, like the following:
Obviously we can argue over placement of the individual names, but you see what I mean.

Not sure if ban...or I'm gonna kick your ass...