Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 8th, '19, 14:37 Source: www.F4WOnline.com


More than half of the lower bowl is tarped off, with the entire hard camera side and club level closed off, and the ENTIRE upper bowl closed off.

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 8th, '19, 14:38

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 8th, '19, 14:37 Source: www.F4WOnline.com


More than half of the lower bowl is tarped off, with the entire hard camera side and club level closed off, and the ENTIRE upper bowl closed off.

WOW.

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 8th, '19, 21:27 To be fair, they put the Rumble in a baseball stadium. Also, the important thing with attendance numbers isn't the raw number but the paid one.

cero2k wrote: ↑May 9th, '19, 09:37

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 8th, '19, 21:27 To be fair, they put the Rumble in a baseball stadium. Also, the important thing with attendance numbers isn't the raw number but the paid one.

it's still the rumble

Bob-O wrote: ↑May 9th, '19, 15:59
Wikipedia is saying Rumble paid attendance was over 40,000 people in a stadium that was set up for 43k. Phoenix is a soft market for wrestling, I'd call 40k a solid turnout, that's A LOT of people! TakeOver Phoenix didn't sell out either, which I think is more alarming, but not surprising due to the market. There's a reason those Elite Boys chose Chicago... there's no way they'd have pulled those numbers on the West Coast outside of California... just look at PWG's crowds, it's really sad for what they offer...

Bob-O wrote: ↑May 9th, '19, 15:59

cero2k wrote: ↑May 9th, '19, 09:37

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 8th, '19, 21:27 To be fair, they put the Rumble in a baseball stadium. Also, the important thing with attendance numbers isn't the raw number but the paid one.

it's still the rumble

Wikipedia is saying Rumble paid attendance was over 40,000 people in a stadium that was set up for 43k. Phoenix is a soft market for wrestling, I'd call 40k a solid turnout, that's A LOT of people! TakeOver Phoenix didn't sell out either, which I think is more alarming, but not surprising due to the market. There's a reason those Elite Boys chose Chicago... there's no way they'd have pulled those numbers on the West Coast outside of California... just look at PWG's crowds, it's really sad for what they offer...

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 9th, '19, 17:16 It also says WrestleMania III drew 93,173, which has been thoroughly debunked by this point,

cero2k wrote: ↑May 9th, '19, 16:07 Again, it's THE rumble, the second biggest show of WWE of the year, it's a fly in show, especially with Takeover next to it.

Bob-O wrote: ↑May 9th, '19, 17:43 I'm open to being wrong, and I do love The Rumble, but I feel like it's a distant 3rd to SummerSlam. A fly-in for the dedicated maybe, but I've never heard of it being a big revenue driver for the host city like 'Mania and SammerSlam.

Bob-O wrote: ↑May 9th, '19, 17:43

Big Red Machine wrote: ↑May 9th, '19, 17:16 It also says WrestleMania III drew 93,173, which has been thoroughly debunked by this point,

WWE claimed 48k attended The Rumble (which would have been a sell out + 5,000), 40k is what was reported by the venue itself, and the number Meltzer went with. I think WWE counts stadium employees, their employees, and the general population within a half mile of their shows...

cero2k wrote: ↑May 9th, '19, 16:07 Again, it's THE rumble, the second biggest show of WWE of the year, it's a fly in show, especially with Takeover next to it.

I'm open to being wrong, and I do love The Rumble, but I feel like it's a distant 3rd to SummerSlam. A fly-in for the dedicated maybe, but I've never heard of it being a big revenue driver for the host city like 'Mania and SammerSlam.

Don't get me wrong, not trying to take anything away from what The Elite have accomplished, but it's also a different target audience. People forget, because it's really inconvenient for us, that WWE is after families while those guys are trying to turn the indie scene mainstream.

Unrelated, but it's going to be really interesting after AEW gets rolling to see how WWE reacts. It's a unique situation... WWE's PG now, they can't win this one with tiddies and beer... McMahon is showing age, but would go down with his ship before he'd hand the wheel over in a competition... everybody is burnt out on just about anything he could dig up from the past (I'm thinking about the time he "wasn't worried about TNA moving to Monday Nights", but just so happened to have Shawn and Bret against them on the first night)... like I said, it's going to be interesting.