Today I learned TNA ran an angle which involved kayfabe murdering a child.
Posted: Nov 30th, '21, 22:25
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the kid never died, he was just injured in a drive-by shooting, and the way the followed it was a gang fight on the street, like I would imagine normal gangs would address it.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Dec 1st, '21, 18:53 They MURDERED A CHILD.
How do you move forward from there in a feud?
Ahead of the business in the sense that they had Kingston cutting promos and Santana and Ortiz all over the place waay before anyone realized they existed.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Dec 2nd, '21, 09:37
Is this really "ahead of the business?" This was several years after Lucha Underground did stuff in a similar style.
Kingston cutting promos? He was doing that (and getting great buzz for it) over a decade earlier in CZW and CHIKARA.cero2k wrote: ↑Dec 2nd, '21, 11:37Ahead of the business in the sense that they had Kingston cutting promos and Santana and Ortiz all over the place waay before anyone realized they existed.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Dec 2nd, '21, 09:37
Is this really "ahead of the business?" This was several years after Lucha Underground did stuff in a similar style.
That was his first run. This is his second.
Ah yes, how to forget all those televised CHIKARA and CZW shows that we can easily look up on youtube.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Dec 2nd, '21, 19:39
Kingston cutting promos? He was doing that (and getting great buzz for it) over a decade earlier in CZW and CHIKARA.
They definitely get credit for being the first big promotion to pick up on Santana and Ortiz, but finding one act doesn't put you "ahead of the business."
"Ahead of the business," to me, is a style thing. LU deserve credit for the cinematic fight scene, and the Hardys deserve some credit for finding a way to exploit its possibilities and to turn it into a match. Gabe deserves credit for being ahead of the curve on the "size doesn't matter" thing and getting over by pushing their work-rate (and I'm not actually sure he was the first one to turn that into a real promotional philosophy). You can say the Bucks were ahead of the business on the whole "shtick and catchphrase above all else" bit (although in that case they actually did get immediate recognition for it, so it's really more that they were the trend-setters rather than they were the guys doing a thing before it became the thing to do).
You're using a completely arbitrary cut-off point for who deserves credit for discovering someone/coming up with an idea. If all you need to do to be "ahead of the business" is be using someone before top tier of companies, why should Impact get credit for Eddie Kingston and not the companies where he made his name a decade earlier? It's not like TNA found this dude out of nowhere. And the same goes for pretty much anyone TNA has made over the past decade.cero2k wrote: ↑Dec 6th, '21, 10:53Ah yes, how to forget all those televised CHIKARA and CZW shows that we can easily look up on youtube.Big Red Machine wrote: ↑Dec 2nd, '21, 19:39
Kingston cutting promos? He was doing that (and getting great buzz for it) over a decade earlier in CZW and CHIKARA.
They definitely get credit for being the first big promotion to pick up on Santana and Ortiz, but finding one act doesn't put you "ahead of the business."
"Ahead of the business," to me, is a style thing. LU deserve credit for the cinematic fight scene, and the Hardys deserve some credit for finding a way to exploit its possibilities and to turn it into a match. Gabe deserves credit for being ahead of the curve on the "size doesn't matter" thing and getting over by pushing their work-rate (and I'm not actually sure he was the first one to turn that into a real promotional philosophy). You can say the Bucks were ahead of the business on the whole "shtick and catchphrase above all else" bit (although in that case they actually did get immediate recognition for it, so it's really more that they were the trend-setters rather than they were the guys doing a thing before it became the thing to do).
Being 'Ahead of the business' can be anything that you do before the major players of the industry, even realizing some people's potential, especially when that person has been passed on for almost 15-20 years. There's no denying that TNA/IMPACT discovered waay more people and built them up from scratch to be bigger deals than ROH and WWE did during the 2010's.
IMPACT/TNA has always had something going on like that, the X Division was ahead of it's time, the Knockouts division was ahead of it's time. Everyone clamoring about Dan Lambert, and top boss Lashley, and all-women PPVs, and Impact has been doing those for years, on TV.