SummerSlam tonight!!!

[e-moose]

SummerSlam tonight!

Unlike Extreme Rules it's looking like a good card az more of the best performerz R featured, and against one another. I'm especially interested in 3 matchez. Daniel Bryan vs. Miz, Dolph Ziggler vs. Seth Rollins, and A.J. Styles vs. Samoa Joe. All 6 R great performerz. All 3 matchez should be excellent. Also Alexa Bliss vs. Ronda Rousey should be great but I expect a lot of fuckery in that 1. Honestly I expect the same in Ziggler vs. Rollins.

[Big Red Machine]

e-moose!

[KILLdozer]

Nothing great performance wise about the Miz.

[Big Red Machine]

Nothing great performance wise about the Miz.

There is if he is in there with the right guy. Have you already forgotten his match against Rollins?

[KILLdozer]

Nothing great performance wise about the Miz.

There is if he is in there with the right guy. Have you already forgotten his match against Rollins?

Yes, actually. Simply put the guy can't be great by himself. That's being carried. He's simply good-average. Bo Dallas and Axel are better than him, and they're the two biggest dumbasses lol.

[Big Red Machine]

Nothing great performance wise about the Miz.

There is if he is in there with the right guy. Have you already forgotten his match against Rollins?

Yes, actually. Simply put the guy can't be great by himself. That's being carried. He's simply good-average. Bo Dallas and Axel are better than him, and they're the two biggest dumbasses lol.

I don't think Bo is better than Miz.
And yes, that's being carried, but it's not "being carried" in the sense of a smaller guy "working around" a big lumbering giant like Khali, or Flair doing his "Ric Flair match" with Sting at the Clash and carrying Sting to an amazing match, or Regal telling someone to "just hold on" and tangling himself in and out of holds. Miz does bring his own spin to a match. It comes with drawbacks, but it does also have strengths- particularly his trash-talking and the resentment fans have towards him in terms of things like him getting pushes when Dragon or Kofi or Punk or Anderson or Cody or whoever didn't- and when you put him in there with a guy like Bryan where they can take advantage of that dynamic to tell a story that wouldn't be possible with anyone else, then I think Miz does deserve credit for bringing a key ingredient to the match.

[KILLdozer]

That's all charisma/Mic skills/character work. Which is pretty much his whole entire thing. Kind of slightly above that Alexis Bliss/Carmella discussion we recently had.

[Big Red Machine]

That's all charisma/Mic skills/character work. Which is pretty much his whole entire thing. Kind of slightly above that Alexis Bliss/Carmella discussion we recently had.

Miz isn't a bad wrestler by any stretch. He's just not a particularly great one, either. Comparisons to Carmella are ridiculous.

[Bob-O]

That's all charisma/Mic skills/character work. Which is pretty much his whole entire thing. Kind of slightly above that Alexis Bliss/Carmella discussion we recently had.

Miz is a "diva".

[KILLdozer]

Absolutely lol.

[Big Red Machine]

That's all charisma/Mic skills/character work. Which is pretty much his whole entire thing. Kind of slightly above that Alexis Bliss/Carmella discussion we recently had.

Miz is a "diva".

Not quite. The Mason Ryan-types are the male equivalent of a Diva. Miz (and Bliss, and even Carmella) are more like your Billy Graham or Kevin Nash type who got their spot due to their body and their promo skills rather than their wrestling (but aren't necessarily terrible wrestlers, either, but they're not outstanding in the ring, either).

[KILLdozer]

I mean, but by that logic, again, just like those two, he's not a whole lot more than Mic skills and other similar attributes lol. I'd even go as far as to say "The male equivalent of Alexa Bliss."

[Big Red Machine]

I mean, but by that logic, again, just like those two, he's not a whole lot more than Mic skills and other similar attributes lol. I'd even go as far as to say "The male equivalent of Alexa Bliss."

Right. But my point is that talking is an important skill in pro wrestling. It's not like Alexa or Miz are someone like Dana Brooke or Brakkus who are only hired and/or pushed solely off of their look.

[Big Red Machine]

[Bob-O]

That's all charisma/Mic skills/character work. Which is pretty much his whole entire thing. Kind of slightly above that Alexis Bliss/Carmella discussion we recently had.

Miz is a "diva".

Not quite. The Mason Ryan-types are the male equivalent of a Diva. Miz (and Bliss, and even Carmella) are more like your Billy Graham or Kevin Nash type who got their spot due to their body and their promo skills rather than their wrestling (but aren't necessarily terrible wrestlers, either, but they're not outstanding in the ring, either).

It can be narrowed down, but on the broad spectrum, there are two types of talent: "Entertainers" (divas) and Wrestlers. In this broad, two column generalization; I would not put Miz with the wrestlers.

Because he's a Diva.

Shawn Micheals was a Diva who could wrestle, Brett was a Wrestling diva... and I think they belong in different columns.

[KILLdozer]

Yeah...you have the Carmellas...Alexa Bliss...Dana Brooke...then Sasha Banks...Asuka...Bailey...Kairi Sane....then Seth Rollins...Finn Balor...AJ Styles....Bryan...Richochet and other NXT guys...then the Miz, ...and...others lol.

[Big Red Machine]

Miz is a "diva".

Not quite. The Mason Ryan-types are the male equivalent of a Diva. Miz (and Bliss, and even Carmella) are more like your Billy Graham or Kevin Nash type who got their spot due to their body and their promo skills rather than their wrestling (but aren't necessarily terrible wrestlers, either, but they're not outstanding in the ring, either).

It can be narrowed down, but on the broad spectrum, there are two types of talent: "Entertainers" (divas) and Wrestlers. In this broad, two column generalization; I would not put Miz with the wrestlers.

Because he's a Diva.

Shawn Micheals was a Diva who could wrestle, Brett was a Wrestling diva... and I think they belong in different columns.

And my point is that I think they shouldn't be looked at as three separate columns. It's a Venn diagram, like the following:

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Obviously we can argue over placement of the individual names, but you see what I mean.

[e-moose]

Re: The Miz:

At this time, he iz just az good az he sez he iz. He wuz not this good previously. At the current time, I respect him more than most of the roster. He came in az a good talker and a mediocre wrestler. He worked hiz ass off. Today he iz the best talker aside from maybe Paul Heyman, and the quickest and hardest-working wrestler on the roster. He haz the ring psychology down to an exact science. He iz a classic mat wrester in the Bret Hart tradition who haz taken hiz game beyond that level. He performz the quickest and most sudden reversalz and "whaddamaneuverz" we've ever seen since. He'z AWESOME! Great respect.

[KILLdozer]

Not sure if ban...or I'm gonna kick your ass...