WOTW: Kayfabe breach

[cero2k]

what has been or who has done the worst of the worst kayfabe breaches in wrestling history??

[badnewzxl]

what has been or who has done the worst of the worst kayfabe breaches in wrestling history??

Vince Russo: the living embodiment of Kayfabe Breaching...

[KILLdozer]

any time in general someone says segment or promo

[Rabid619]

any time in general someone says segment or promo

Dixie Carter coming out saying she's not out to cut a promo yet she does just that. =))

[KILLdozer]

never been a fan of folks callin hogan terry either

[Lynas]

TNA in General..

Worst Kayfabe breach in last 12 months... goes to Hulk Hogan... sitting with Mr. Anderson..

"C'mon Anderson, you've gotta pick a side everybody is out to get you, the heels, the babyfaces, everybody..."

[KILLdozer]

yea that came to mind too,so did dixies little bit about the promo

[Rabid619]

Worst Kayfabe breach in last 12 months... goes to Hulk Hogan... sitting with Mr. Anderson..

"C'mon Anderson, you've gotta pick a side everybody is out to get you, the heels, the babyfaces, everybody..."

I forgot about that one....Terry is a douche. :p

[Big Red Machine]

any time in general someone says segment or promo

I disagree. These are words that have meanings that make sense in a kayfabe setting as well. A TV show is still a TV show. Wrestling has runsheets (even Jim Cornette will use that word on the air), which tell you how much time each segment is allotted.

The term promo comes from the fact that you are promoting a match in an attempt to get people to pay to see it, which is just as much a kayfabe endeavor as a non-kayfabe one.

[Big Red Machine]

I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet: The Nash & Goldberg promos.

[badnewzxl]

I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet: The Nash & Goldberg promos.

I fold that in with the whole Vince Russo thing....

[kirbs2002]

The MSG Curtain Call

[badnewzxl]

the montreal screwjob

[Big Red Machine]

the montreal screwjob

This is an interesting one. The Screwjob now IS kayfabe. It wasn't breaking kayfabe when it happened because that is what happened. There was a dirty finish. Vince wanted the belt off of Bret, so he had Hebner screw him. All of these are kayfabe facts, and were kayfabe facts at the time.

[Big Red Machine]

The MSG Curtain Call

Bad? Yes. But that was at a house show, and didn't expose the business in the same way that saying things like heel and babyface and talking about turning from one to the other does.

[badnewzxl]

the montreal screwjob

This is an interesting one. The Screwjob now IS kayfabe. It wasn't breaking kayfabe when it happened because that is what happened. There was a dirty finish. Vince wanted the belt off of Bret, so he had Hebner screw him. All of these are kayfabe facts, and were kayfabe facts at the time.

I always thought that doing a work was part of following kayfabe; so shooting would be a breach of said kayfabe. what am I missing here?

[Big Red Machine]

the montreal screwjob

This is an interesting one. The Screwjob now IS kayfabe. It wasn't breaking kayfabe when it happened because that is what happened. There was a dirty finish. Vince wanted the belt off of Bret, so he had Hebner screw him. All of these are kayfabe facts, and were kayfabe facts at the time.

I always thought that doing a work was part of following kayfabe; so shooting would be a breach of said kayfabe. what am I missing here?

It depends how you view/define kayfabe. The Screwjob itself (the physical actions that took place and motivations behind them) did not expose the business in any way. Vince had the Screwjob happen so that Bret wouldn't take the WWF Title with him to WCW. This is statement is kayfabe correct.

IMO, if something happens on the air, it becomes part of kayfabe as a continuity, whether it was a work or not, it still happened. By your definition, a rushed finish is a breach of kayfabe.

[badnewzxl]

IMO, if something happens on the air, it becomes part of kayfabe as a continuity, whether it was a work or not, it still happened. By your definition, a rushed finish is a breach of kayfabe.

If that's the case, then Kayfabe means nothing. If EVERYTHING that happens on air becomes kayfabe, then a breach would never exist; everything we mentioned was done on a show, so then (according to your definition) isn't a breach of kayfabe. the Nash/Goldberg interviews, the Hogan Anderson thing, etc. were all done on tv, as a part of the show.

If said rushed finish involved changing the outcome of the match from what was previously planned (not like Austin&Owen when Austin got hurt; like the Road Warriors when they'd change the finish of their matches and win when they weren't supposed to), I'd call it a shoot for sure. But I always figured you're breaking kayfabe when you shoot. I see what you're saying now tho (I think): Kayfabe is all about staying in character and maintaining the illusion that what's going on is real; but then all these previous posts are justified under your own definition what is/becomes kayfabe....

[Big Red Machine]

IMO, if something happens on the air, it becomes part of kayfabe as a continuity, whether it was a work or not, it still happened. By your definition, a rushed finish is a breach of kayfabe.

If that's the case, then Kayfabe means nothing. If EVERYTHING that happens on air becomes kayfabe, then a breach would never exist; everything we mentioned was done on a show, so then (according to your definition) isn't a breach of kayfabe. the Nash/Goldberg interviews, the Hogan Anderson thing, etc. were all done on tv, as a part of the show.

If said rushed finish involved changing the outcome of the match from what was previously planned (not like Austin&Owen when Austin got hurt; like the Road Warriors when they'd change the finish of their matches and win when they weren't supposed to), I'd call it a shoot for sure. But I always figured you're breaking kayfabe when you shoot. I see what you're saying now tho (I think): Kayfabe is all about staying in character and maintaining the illusion that what's going on is real; but then all these previous posts are justified under your own definition what is/becomes kayfabe....

But we don't know that they are shooting. The difference between the Nash-Goldberg promos and other Russo-esque stuff and the Screwjob is that the Screwjob itself makes sense within kayfabe (in this case meaning that wrestling is scripted, rather than 100% real). Having Goldberg and Nash and Hogan talk about being a heel, and being told that they were turning heel, but not wanting to doesn't make any sense within the world of kayfabe.

[badnewzxl]

IMO, if something happens on the air, it becomes part of kayfabe as a continuity, whether it was a work or not, it still happened. By your definition, a rushed finish is a breach of kayfabe.

If that's the case, then Kayfabe means nothing. If EVERYTHING that happens on air becomes kayfabe, then a breach would never exist; everything we mentioned was done on a show, so then (according to your definition) isn't a breach of kayfabe. the Nash/Goldberg interviews, the Hogan Anderson thing, etc. were all done on tv, as a part of the show.

If said rushed finish involved changing the outcome of the match from what was previously planned (not like Austin&Owen when Austin got hurt; like the Road Warriors when they'd change the finish of their matches and win when they weren't supposed to), I'd call it a shoot for sure. But I always figured you're breaking kayfabe when you shoot. I see what you're saying now tho (I think): Kayfabe is all about staying in character and maintaining the illusion that what's going on is real; but then all these previous posts are justified under your own definition what is/becomes kayfabe....

I see what you're saying now; it'd be like if the guy in the Mickey Mouse costume at Disney World took his head off and smoked a cig infront of the patrons; not just a deviation from the script. Gotcha.

But we don't know that they are shooting. The difference between the Nash-Goldberg promos and other Russo-esque stuff and the Screwjob is that the Screwjob itself makes sense within kayfabe (in this case meaning that wrestling is scripted, rather than 100% real). Having Goldberg and Nash and Hogan talk about being a heel, and being told that they were turning heel, but not wanting to doesn't make any sense within the world of kayfabe.