BRM Reviews the 3/12/2012 Raw (Rock=Bad, Jericho=Amazing!)

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Re: BRM Reviews the 3/12/2012 Raw (Rock=Bad, Jericho=Amazain

Post by KILLdozer » Mar 14th, '12, 15:38

Big Red Machine wrote:
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the reason I think Dragon v. Sheamus should have been given a personal twist is bc IT is the match that lacks as far as the original four maine events are concerned. The feud for the WWE title and the title of best in the world were enough for Jericho & Punk; Dragon and Sheamus could use SOMETHING to build a little more animosity between the two. I just think it needs something to put it on that main event level like HHH v. Taker and Rock v. Cena. I understand that you love it bc it references something that happened in the past; but even that doesn't work for me. If I remember correctly, during his feud with Raven in ROH Punk was the one who resented his father and his reason for disliking Raven was that Raven was just like his dad. I didn't understand then when Punk's reaction was the way it was on RAW; It didn't make sense to me that he seemed so effected by what Jericho said.
The reason that Dragon vs. Sheamus lacks is because it hasn't had any build-up at all. Yeah, Sheamus attacked Dragon right after Dragon had a grueling match (because apparently babyfaces do that), then Dragon spent time wrestling Punk and trying not to wrestle Orton, while Sheamus really hasn't done much of anything. If they had built it up better from the beginning, you wouldn't think it needed a personal twist.

IMO Punk vs. Jericho doesn't need the belt. Feuding over the title of "Best In The World" should be enough (especially with punk and Jericho's mic skills.

If I were booking it, I would have had Punk and Jericho double-pin each other in the Elimination Chamber and put the belt on Ziggler. Dragon would blow-off his feud with Big Show at Mania for the belt, and Sheamus would challenge Ziggler at Mania. Then, after mania the winner of Sheamus vs. Ziggler calls out the winner of Punk vs. Jericho and says "you're the best in the world? Then why am I the WWE Champion?" and you have your next title match right there.
I disagree that the match doesnt need the belt. Two guys fighting over the title of the best in the world,It wouldnt make much sense if neither of them was champion...They'd just look extremely arrogant.
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Re: BRM Reviews the 3/12/2012 Raw (Rock=Bad, Jericho=Amazain

Post by badnewzxl » Mar 14th, '12, 17:03

KILLdozer wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
badnewzxl wrote:
the reason I think Dragon v. Sheamus should have been given a personal twist is bc IT is the match that lacks as far as the original four maine events are concerned. The feud for the WWE title and the title of best in the world were enough for Jericho & Punk; Dragon and Sheamus could use SOMETHING to build a little more animosity between the two. I just think it needs something to put it on that main event level like HHH v. Taker and Rock v. Cena. I understand that you love it bc it references something that happened in the past; but even that doesn't work for me. If I remember correctly, during his feud with Raven in ROH Punk was the one who resented his father and his reason for disliking Raven was that Raven was just like his dad. I didn't understand then when Punk's reaction was the way it was on RAW; It didn't make sense to me that he seemed so effected by what Jericho said.
The reason that Dragon vs. Sheamus lacks is because it hasn't had any build-up at all. Yeah, Sheamus attacked Dragon right after Dragon had a grueling match (because apparently babyfaces do that), then Dragon spent time wrestling Punk and trying not to wrestle Orton, while Sheamus really hasn't done much of anything. If they had built it up better from the beginning, you wouldn't think it needed a personal twist.

IMO Punk vs. Jericho doesn't need the belt. Feuding over the title of "Best In The World" should be enough (especially with punk and Jericho's mic skills.

If I were booking it, I would have had Punk and Jericho double-pin each other in the Elimination Chamber and put the belt on Ziggler. Dragon would blow-off his feud with Big Show at Mania for the belt, and Sheamus would challenge Ziggler at Mania. Then, after mania the winner of Sheamus vs. Ziggler calls out the winner of Punk vs. Jericho and says "you're the best in the world? Then why am I the WWE Champion?" and you have your next title match right there.
I disagree that the match doesnt need the belt. Two guys fighting over the title of the best in the world,It wouldnt make much sense if neither of them was champion...They'd just look extremely arrogant.
good point; I'd excuse it, but It makes a hell of a lot more sense if the guys who are calling themselves the Best in the World are fighting over a prize that truly validates the claim....
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Re: BRM Reviews the 3/12/2012 Raw (Rock=Bad, Jericho=Amazain

Post by Big Red Machine » Mar 14th, '12, 17:47

KILLdozer wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
badnewzxl wrote:
the reason I think Dragon v. Sheamus should have been given a personal twist is bc IT is the match that lacks as far as the original four maine events are concerned. The feud for the WWE title and the title of best in the world were enough for Jericho & Punk; Dragon and Sheamus could use SOMETHING to build a little more animosity between the two. I just think it needs something to put it on that main event level like HHH v. Taker and Rock v. Cena. I understand that you love it bc it references something that happened in the past; but even that doesn't work for me. If I remember correctly, during his feud with Raven in ROH Punk was the one who resented his father and his reason for disliking Raven was that Raven was just like his dad. I didn't understand then when Punk's reaction was the way it was on RAW; It didn't make sense to me that he seemed so effected by what Jericho said.
The reason that Dragon vs. Sheamus lacks is because it hasn't had any build-up at all. Yeah, Sheamus attacked Dragon right after Dragon had a grueling match (because apparently babyfaces do that), then Dragon spent time wrestling Punk and trying not to wrestle Orton, while Sheamus really hasn't done much of anything. If they had built it up better from the beginning, you wouldn't think it needed a personal twist.

IMO Punk vs. Jericho doesn't need the belt. Feuding over the title of "Best In The World" should be enough (especially with punk and Jericho's mic skills.

If I were booking it, I would have had Punk and Jericho double-pin each other in the Elimination Chamber and put the belt on Ziggler. Dragon would blow-off his feud with Big Show at Mania for the belt, and Sheamus would challenge Ziggler at Mania. Then, after mania the winner of Sheamus vs. Ziggler calls out the winner of Punk vs. Jericho and says "you're the best in the world? Then why am I the WWE Champion?" and you have your next title match right there.
I disagree that the match doesnt need the belt. Two guys fighting over the title of the best in the world,It wouldnt make much sense if neither of them was champion...They'd just look extremely arrogant.
IMO you are looking at it backwards. The champions, by virtue of being the champion, has a claim to being the best in the world. If there is a guy who is winning lots of matches over top guys and claims to be the best in the world... well obviously you should put him against the champion to see who is actually the best in the world (and thus deserves to be the champion). It is booking 101.
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Re: BRM Reviews the 3/12/2012 Raw (Rock=Bad, Jericho=Amazain

Post by badnewzxl » Mar 14th, '12, 18:20

Big Red Machine wrote:
IMO you are looking at it backwards. The champions, by virtue of being the champion, has a claim to being the best in the world. If there is a guy who is winning lots of matches over top guys and claims to be the best in the world... well obviously you should put him against the champion to see who is actually the best in the world (and thus deserves to be the champion). It is booking 101.
aka common sense; things you don't need to explain; something that was just said just a second ago but in different rhetoric.

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Re: BRM Reviews the 3/12/2012 Raw (Rock=Bad, Jericho=Amazain

Post by Big Red Machine » Mar 14th, '12, 19:02

badnewzxl wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
IMO you are looking at it backwards. The champions, by virtue of being the champion, has a claim to being the best in the world. If there is a guy who is winning lots of matches over top guys and claims to be the best in the world... well obviously you should put him against the champion to see who is actually the best in the world (and thus deserves to be the champion). It is booking 101.
aka common sense; things you don't need to explain; something that was just said just a second ago but in different rhetoric.

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Not at all. Dozer said that it wouldn't make much sense if two guys were fighting over the title of "best in the world" if the belt wasn't involved. I am explaining how it could. (i.e. claiming to be the best in the world is tantamount to claiming to be better than the champ).
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Re: BRM Reviews the 3/12/2012 Raw (Rock=Bad, Jericho=Amazain

Post by badnewzxl » Mar 14th, '12, 21:41

Big Red Machine wrote:
badnewzxl wrote:
Big Red Machine wrote:
IMO you are looking at it backwards. The champions, by virtue of being the champion, has a claim to being the best in the world. If there is a guy who is winning lots of matches over top guys and claims to be the best in the world... well obviously you should put him against the champion to see who is actually the best in the world (and thus deserves to be the champion). It is booking 101.
aka common sense; things you don't need to explain; something that was just said just a second ago but in different rhetoric.

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Not at all. Dozer said that it wouldn't make much sense if two guys were fighting over the title of "best in the world" if the belt wasn't involved. I am explaining how it could. (i.e. claiming to be the best in the world is tantamount to claiming to be better than the champ).
In the passage I quoted, you said exactly what me an Dozer had just said.
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