!!!THAT IMPACT ENDING!!!!

[Big Bad Booty Daddy]

Would b a great double cross over considering he's on Team TNA

Plus he was already involved in the Angle/bischoff/Brisco story so could b a possibilty

[badnewzxl]

I think it's Bully:

Maybe all this being good and marrying Brooke was all just a part of his grand scheme to FINALLY win the World Title....

[Big Red Machine]

I think it's Bully:

Maybe all this being good and marrying Brooke was all just a part of his grand scheme to FINALLY win the World Title....

It can't be Bully. How would he have gotten from the ring to backstage so quickly?

[cero2k]

I think it's Bully:

Maybe all this being good and marrying Brooke was all just a part of his grand scheme to FINALLY win the World Title....

It can't be Bully. How would he have gotten from the ring to backstage so quickly?

this is the VP, Bully could turn out to be the President

[Big Bad Booty Daddy]

Bully is a good shout, I do feel he will turn on Brooke/Hogan. Tbh rather see anyone wear the heavyweight title rather then Jeff hardy


I still think it'll b Joe tho

[cero2k]

you know....as a long shot....

what if it's

Hidden text.

SCOTT FREAKING STEINER!!!

why not? maybe the whole thing trash talking with Hogan/Bischoff/etc was all a work!

[Big Bad Booty Daddy]

you know....as a long shot....

what if it's

Hidden text.

SCOTT FREAKING STEINER!!!

why not? maybe the whole thing trash talking with Hogan/Bischoff/etc was all a work!

=)) =))

Cause not once has he tried to do push ups in the ring!! Or flex his muscles!!

[Big Red Machine]

you know....as a long shot....

what if it's

Hidden text.

SCOTT FREAKING STEINER!!!

why not? maybe the whole thing trash talking with Hogan/Bischoff/etc was all a work!

=)) =))

Cause not once has he tried to do push ups in the ring!! Or flex his muscles!!

We'd have know the second he opened his mouth.

[e-moose]

I would mark out for Don West.

THIS!

[badnewzxl]

Well...it was D'Lo...

But we all knew Bully had to be involved. If he hadn't turned, this angle would have fallen on it's face. Now, it's revealed itself as a very good storyine....

[Big Red Machine]

But we all knew Bully had to be involved. If he hadn't turned, this angle would have fallen on it's face. Now, it's revealed itself as a very good storyine....

Why is it good? Just because Bully turned heel (extremely predictably, too, might I add)? 90% of the same problems still exist. Yes, it now makes sense every time they have run away from Bully, but all of the other times they have run away from people when they should have had the advantage (and if Bully was willing to take the beating at his wedding, why not other times, too)?

Even more importantly, we still don't know a damn thing about this group! We know who is in it, but we still have no idea what their motives ares. WHY are they doing whatever it is that they are doing? Yeah, they won Bully the TNA World Heavyweight Title, but what does that get the group?

Also, does it seem silly to everyone else that their evil plan here relied on Hulk Hogan, the super-babyface, doing a very un-babyface thing by giving Bully a title shot purely out of nepotism?



Also, I am officially going on record as predicting that around Slammiversary AJ will come back and save TNA and will help win the big blow-off at BFG.

[cero2k]

But we all knew Bully had to be involved. If he hadn't turned, this angle would have fallen on it's face. Now, it's revealed itself as a very good storyine....

Why is it good? Just because Bully turned heel (extremely predictably, too, might I add)? 90% of the same problems still exist. Yes, it now makes sense every time they have run away from Bully, but all of the other times they have run away from people when they should have had the advantage (and if Bully was willing to take the beating at his wedding, why not other times, too)?

Even more importantly, we still don't know a damn thing about this group! We know who is in it, but we still have no idea what their motives ares. WHY are they doing whatever it is that they are doing? Yeah, they won Bully the TNA World Heavyweight Title, but what does that get the group?

Also, does it seem silly to everyone else that their evil plan here relied on Hulk Hogan, the super-babyface, doing a very un-babyface thing by giving Bully a title shot purely out of nepotism?



Also, I am officially going on record as predicting that around Slammiversary AJ will come back and save TNA and will help win the big blow-off at BFG.

(1) because it's a well thought plan, if Aces and 8s wins every time over Bully, why would Hogan even consider Bully as a worthy ally, as worthy of his trust, etc. Just like Wes and Bischoff took one minutes before the reveal, Ray took some others for the plan.

(2)What other motive do you need than giving the world title to the president of the club !? it's the world title, wanting more reasons is what makes the title seem less important. the president has the world title and screwed Hogan's daughter, what else do they need? And it makes perfect sense to rely on Hogan's nepotism, because that's one of the things that Hogan has been guilty off for such a long time in real life, it's believable, it plays the fans, and it shows Hogan what happens when he does it.

(3) AJ is supposed to return on thursday according to last show

[e-moose]

What other motive do you need than giving the world title to the president of the club !? it's the world title, wanting more reasons is what makes the title seem less important. the president has the world title and screwed Hogan's daughter, what else do they need? And it makes perfect sense to rely on Hogan's nepotism, because that's one of the things that Hogan has been guilty off for such a long time in real life, it's believable, it plays the fans, and it shows Hogan what happens when he does it.

THIS represents my general thoughts. Thanx for expressing it so well.

To add, what makes this especially good is that Ray massaged the Hogans for several months! Normally in pro wrestling, storiez like theze move along way too fast. The pace of this one made it especially more believable than most "personal" storiez in wrestling.

I've got an (I think) original idea and I'm going to start a topic where I book & write this going forward.

[badnewzxl]

What other motive do you need than giving the world title to the president of the club !? it's the world title, wanting more reasons is what makes the title seem less important. the president has the world title and screwed Hogan's daughter, what else do they need? And it makes perfect sense to rely on Hogan's nepotism, because that's one of the things that Hogan has been guilty off for such a long time in real life, it's believable, it plays the fans, and it shows Hogan what happens when he does it.

THIS represents my general thoughts. Thanx for expressing it so well.

To add, what makes this especially good is that Ray massaged the Hogans for several months! Normally in pro wrestling, storiez like theze move along way too fast. The pace of this one made it especially more believable than most "personal" storiez in wrestling.

I've got an (I think) original idea and I'm going to start a topic where I book & write this going forward.

Oh my brothers....

But we all knew Bully had to be involved. If he hadn't turned, this angle would have fallen on it's face. Now, it's revealed itself as a very good storyine....

Why is it good? Just because Bully turned heel (extremely predictably, too, might I add)? 90% of the same problems still exist. Yes, it now makes sense every time they have run away from Bully, but all of the other times they have run away from people when they should have had the advantage (and if Bully was willing to take the beating at his wedding, why not other times, too)?

Even more importantly, we still don't know a damn thing about this group! We know who is in it, but we still have no idea what their motives ares. WHY are they doing whatever it is that they are doing? Yeah, they won Bully the TNA World Heavyweight Title, but what does that get the group?

Also, does it seem silly to everyone else that their evil plan here relied on Hulk Hogan, the super-babyface, doing a very un-babyface thing by giving Bully a title shot purely out of nepotism?



Also, I am officially going on record as predicting that around Slammiversary AJ will come back and save TNA and will help win the big blow-off at BFG.

(1) because it's a well thought plan, if Aces and 8s wins every time over Bully, why would Hogan even consider Bully as a worthy ally, as worthy of his trust, etc. Just like Wes and Bischoff took one minutes before the reveal, Ray took some others for the plan.

(2)What other motive do you need than giving the world title to the president of the club !? it's the world title, wanting more reasons is what makes the title seem less important. the president has the world title and screwed Hogan's daughter, what else do they need? And it makes perfect sense to rely on Hogan's nepotism, because that's one of the things that Hogan has been guilty off for such a long time in real life, it's believable, it plays the fans, and it shows Hogan what happens when he does it.

(3) AJ is supposed to return on thursday according to last show

...TESTIFY!

Ray (& the rest of Aces and Eights) didn't just make a turn; he meticulously orchestrated a scheme to fool the Sting, Hogan, and (esp) Brooke AND capture the World Heavyweight Title. If that's not a brilliant coup in pro wrestling, then I don't know what is....

[Big Red Machine]

But we all knew Bully had to be involved. If he hadn't turned, this angle would have fallen on it's face. Now, it's revealed itself as a very good storyine....

Why is it good? Just because Bully turned heel (extremely predictably, too, might I add)? 90% of the same problems still exist. Yes, it now makes sense every time they have run away from Bully, but all of the other times they have run away from people when they should have had the advantage (and if Bully was willing to take the beating at his wedding, why not other times, too)?

Even more importantly, we still don't know a damn thing about this group! We know who is in it, but we still have no idea what their motives ares. WHY are they doing whatever it is that they are doing? Yeah, they won Bully the TNA World Heavyweight Title, but what does that get the group?

Also, does it seem silly to everyone else that their evil plan here relied on Hulk Hogan, the super-babyface, doing a very un-babyface thing by giving Bully a title shot purely out of nepotism?



Also, I am officially going on record as predicting that around Slammiversary AJ will come back and save TNA and will help win the big blow-off at BFG.

(1) because it's a well thought plan, if Aces and 8s wins every time over Bully, why would Hogan even consider Bully as a worthy ally, as worthy of his trust, etc. Just like Wes and Bischoff took one minutes before the reveal, Ray took some others for the plan.

(2)What other motive do you need than giving the world title to the president of the club !? it's the world title, wanting more reasons is what makes the title seem less important. the president has the world title and screwed Hogan's daughter, what else do they need? And it makes perfect sense to rely on Hogan's nepotism, because that's one of the things that Hogan has been guilty off for such a long time in real life, it's believable, it plays the fans, and it shows Hogan what happens when he does it.

Because if there isn't some other motive, then why didn't they just form a damn heel stable nine months ago? Taz and D'Lo both have major stroke in Gut Check (D'Lo is the guy who sets up the Gut Check tryouts) so why not have them make sure that guys like Doc and Knox get tryouts (or get signed some other way. It's not like they're nobodies). We have to assume that they would be signed because they have been better than all of the other Gut Check winners (aside from maybe Christian York), and form a damn heel stable, then have the guys interfere and cheat to help Bully win, just it has worked a million times before in wrestling? Why go through all of the trouble of jumping Sting and Hogan, buying motorcycles, club jackets, masks, hiring a bunch of scrubs for that big brawl between Aces & Eights and the entire roster last summer, holding Joseph Park hostage for a month, kidnapping Sting & Hogan, having Bully seduce and maintain a fake relationship with Brooke, having Bully get legally married to Brooke, having multiple members of the group suffer vicious beatdowns at various times before they were revealed, jeopardizing D'Lo's job, etc, etc... all to do something they could have done in a much more simple way and probably much earlier? Seriously! Look at how freakin' convoluted this plan has been!

Also, if the whole purpose of the group was to get the TNA World Heavyweight Title on Bully, then Anderson joining is extremely out of character.

Also, without a larger motive, then a lot of the rhetoric from the first few months of the angle where it was very focused on Hogan doesn't make any sense.

[cero2k]

Because if there isn't some other motive, then why didn't they just form a damn heel stable nine months ago? Taz and D'Lo both have major stroke in Gut Check (D'Lo is the guy who sets up the Gut Check tryouts) so why not have them make sure that guys like Doc and Knox get tryouts (or get signed some other way. It's not like they're nobodies). We have to assume that they would be signed because they have been better than all of the other Gut Check winners (aside from maybe Christian York), and form a damn heel stable, then have the guys interfere and cheat to help Bully win, just it has worked a million times before in wrestling? Why go through all of the trouble of jumping Sting and Hogan, buying motorcycles, club jackets, masks, hiring a bunch of scrubs for that big brawl between Aces & Eights and the entire roster last summer, holding Joseph Park hostage for a month, kidnapping Sting & Hogan, having Bully seduce and maintain a fake relationship with Brooke, having Bully get legally married to Brooke, having multiple members of the group suffer vicious beatdowns at various times before they were revealed, jeopardizing D'Lo's job, etc, etc... all to do something they could have done in a much more simple way and probably much earlier? Seriously! Look at how freakin' convoluted this plan has been!

Also, if the whole purpose of the group was to get the TNA World Heavyweight Title on Bully, then Anderson joining is extremely out of character.

Also, without a larger motive, then a lot of the rhetoric from the first few months of the angle where it was very focused on Hogan doesn't make any sense.

What makes you think that this stable wasn't created long before they attacked Sting nine months ago? Maybe this is something that has existed ever since the WWE days when D'Lo, The Dudleyz, and Taz all used to work together. Maybe Gallows and Knox joined them a bit after, for all we know the only new guys were Briscoe, Garrett, and Anderson. There's a whole lot more people in this club than we see on Impact, all those scrubs were not hired, they're from the club or maybe a nomad charter that came to help for the fight, those things actually happen with real MCs. Catching the title was the reason for which the club voted to debut.

Why didn't D'lo and Taz use gutcheck to get Knox and DOC in? simple, they were unmasked before they had the chance. Taz and D'Lo had at most 1 vote in the group of judges, maybe it wasn't enough to get them there earlier before getting unmasked.

Why attack Hogan and Sting? So they would eventually give their trust to Bully Ray.
Why kidnap Parks? Same reason, get leverage over Hogan and Sting, stop him from meddling in the Clubs's business, maybe for fun?
Why have a fake relationship with Brooke? see point number 1, plus i already mentioned using Hogan's nepotism to get the title shot, and simply, she's hot, Ray wanted to bang her. Why marry her, idk, maybe there's pre-nup that says Ray gets some money out of this.
Why have guys take beatdowns?? they have to earn their patch, typical MC stuff.
D'lo's job was never on the line

Why did Anderson join? he's an asshole, he wanted to be part of the wrestler MC that not a lot of people are part of, he's an asshole and wasn't doing anything eitherway, maybe he'll turn on Ray and challenge for the title but wanted to make sure it was Ray who had it. Maybe Hogan sent him in as a spy!

[e-moose]

OK OK OK.

We really should put to rest any debate re: Ray & the Hoganz. The motive for Ray doing that slow and smooth and deep infiltration iz glaringly obvious. The man cannot win the title without first getting a shot at it. Going through thoze motionz wuz the eazier faster route to a title shot than the hard work involved in actually earning one.

Az for any debate re: the very existence of the A&8s gang, pleaze feel free to carry on.

BTW, without even thinking about the title, I've alwayz thought that Anderson joining the group wuz stupidly way out of character. The man iz an independent. It's been one of the strongest aspects of hiz character for az long az I can remember, going right back through hiz entire WWE career az well.

Oh yeah and I just wanna weigh in on the Gut Check stuff. I'm glad you pointed out the D'Lo & Taz thing. Why should any of the A&8s memberz we now know have been brought in via Gut Check? Better idea: Have all (or at least some) of the actual known Gut Check winnerz reaveal themselvez az A&8s memberz! It could still happen yet, and given the D'Lo & Taz connexion, it would make sense. Recruiting.

[e-moose]

OK BRM, you insist that there must be a much bigger motive for the A&8s than merely putting the title on Bully Ray. You also insist that all the initial focus the group put on Hogan iz not satisfied. So I've thought of a mind blowing scenario for you.

We begin to hear the odd rumblingz among the A&8s mentioning some sort of "supreme leader". We find out Brooke iz pregnant (I can just smell that coming regardless of any of the rest). Hogan, already right f'd up by the whole Bully Ray deceit, now completely lozez hiz mind. He sayz he needz some time off from hiz dutiez az GM. Now he haz to find a temporary replacement. After much deliberation, he decidez to hand over the reignz to who else? Hiz best buddy Sting.

You know... Sting... The Insane Icon... the first guy who went to bat for Bully Ray, and played such a big role in convincing Hogan to trust him. Sting... later revealed az the "supreme leader". Maybe hiz official title will be "Icon" of the A&8s.

So now the group not only haz the title but runz the show, plus they've put the screwz to Hogan & TNA fully. Would that satisfy your concernz? ...or doez this just open a whole other can of wormz?

[Big Red Machine]

Because if there isn't some other motive, then why didn't they just form a damn heel stable nine months ago? Taz and D'Lo both have major stroke in Gut Check (D'Lo is the guy who sets up the Gut Check tryouts) so why not have them make sure that guys like Doc and Knox get tryouts (or get signed some other way. It's not like they're nobodies). We have to assume that they would be signed because they have been better than all of the other Gut Check winners (aside from maybe Christian York), and form a damn heel stable, then have the guys interfere and cheat to help Bully win, just it has worked a million times before in wrestling? Why go through all of the trouble of jumping Sting and Hogan, buying motorcycles, club jackets, masks, hiring a bunch of scrubs for that big brawl between Aces & Eights and the entire roster last summer, holding Joseph Park hostage for a month, kidnapping Sting & Hogan, having Bully seduce and maintain a fake relationship with Brooke, having Bully get legally married to Brooke, having multiple members of the group suffer vicious beatdowns at various times before they were revealed, jeopardizing D'Lo's job, etc, etc... all to do something they could have done in a much more simple way and probably much earlier? Seriously! Look at how freakin' convoluted this plan has been!

Also, if the whole purpose of the group was to get the TNA World Heavyweight Title on Bully, then Anderson joining is extremely out of character.

Also, without a larger motive, then a lot of the rhetoric from the first few months of the angle where it was very focused on Hogan doesn't make any sense.

What makes you think that this stable wasn't created long before they attacked Sting nine months ago? Maybe this is something that has existed ever since the WWE days when D'Lo, The Dudleyz, and Taz all used to work together. Maybe Gallows and Knox joined them a bit after, for all we know the only new guys were Briscoe, Garrett, and Anderson. There's a whole lot more people in this club than we see on Impact, all those scrubs were not hired, they're from the club or maybe a nomad charter that came to help for the fight, those things actually happen with real MCs. Catching the title was the reason for which the club voted to debut.

Why didn't D'lo and Taz use gutcheck to get Knox and DOC in? simple, they were unmasked before they had the chance. Taz and D'Lo had at most 1 vote in the group of judges, maybe it wasn't enough to get them there earlier before getting unmasked.

Why attack Hogan and Sting? So they would eventually give their trust to Bully Ray.
Why kidnap Parks? Same reason, get leverage over Hogan and Sting, stop him from meddling in the Clubs's business, maybe for fun?
Why have a fake relationship with Brooke? see point number 1, plus i already mentioned using Hogan's nepotism to get the title shot, and simply, she's hot, Ray wanted to bang her. Why marry her, idk, maybe there's pre-nup that says Ray gets some money out of this.
Why have guys take beatdowns?? they have to earn their patch, typical MC stuff.
D'lo's job was never on the line

Why did Anderson join? he's an asshole, he wanted to be part of the wrestler MC that not a lot of people are part of, he's an asshole and wasn't doing anything eitherway, maybe he'll turn on Ray and challenge for the title but wanted to make sure it was Ray who had it. Maybe Hogan sent him in as a spy!

1. Do you really think they had time to start a secret MC while working a WWE road schedule?

2. This is TNA. Do you really think they would turn down ex-WWE guys? They had MONTHS between the debut of the group and Doc's reveal. There must have been a way to get them hired (or even not get them hired. Just have them jump guardrails... that seems to work decently well enough in wrestling promotions and almost always leads to a contract.

3. if the goal is the World Heavyweight Title, then the trust of Hogan and Sting is irrelevant! They could have helped Bully cheat to (and I use this word loosely) earn title matches, and everything would have happened a lot sooner!

4. He wouldn't be meddling in the club's affairs if they hadn't decided to "invade" TNA as a group of outsiders. Additionally, Bully JUST got done feuding with Parks. He has seen the man snap, so why torture him and risk him going all Abyss on their asses in their clubhouse, then escaping and revealing everything?

5. See, some sort of pre-nup that allowed them money/control of TNA is the sort of thing that would make sense hear, and is the sort of thing that would also make assaulting Hogan make sense. Based off of Bully's promo, they did it for no other reason than to screw with the Hogans and win the World Title.

6. Fine

7. Of course it was! If anyone found out that he was working with a group of outsiders who were orchestrating attacks on TNA employees, TNA has every reason to fire him!

8. Doesn't fit in with the storyline, though. Why would Anderson join them after they beat him up? "Just to be an asshole" doesn't cut it. His stated reason was that Sting didn't trust him or didn't think he was tough or whatever. There are plenty of other ways for Anderson to prove his toughness or get back at Sting that are much more in character than joining a motorcycle gang whose sole purpose is to put the TNA World Heavyweight Title on Bully Ray.

[Big Red Machine]

OK OK OK.

We really should put to rest any debate re: Ray & the Hoganz. The motive for Ray doing that slow and smooth and deep infiltration iz glaringly obvious. The man cannot win the title without first getting a shot at it. Going through thoze motionz wuz the eazier faster route to a title shot than the hard work involved in actually earning one.



Oh yeah and I just wanna weigh in on the Gut Check stuff. I'm glad you pointed out the D'Lo & Taz thing. Why should any of the A&8s memberz we now know have been brought in via Gut Check? Better idea: Have all (or at least some) of the actual known Gut Check winnerz reaveal themselvez az A&8s memberz! It could still happen yet, and given the D'Lo & Taz connexion, it would make sense. Recruiting.

1. But it is a much less sound plan! It relies completely on the emotions of Hulk and Brooke, which are completely outside the club's control. What if Brooke just plain didn't want Bully's penis inside of her? What if Hulk didn't decide to act all narcissistic (although I will admit it has been established in his character, albeit not purposely)?
They would still have to do the same hard work, as they (especially Bully, who is under TNA contract) would still need to wrestle every show anyway.

2. Now THIS would be a good idea (so long as they're not in a featured spot, of course).