TNA's Plan for a Storyline with ROH

[Big Red Machine]

Source: www.TNAWrestlingNews.com

As reported last week, TNA had pitched the idea of working with ROH earlier this year. The plan was to have a top ROH talent come in, attack a top TNA babyface and then put over the TNA talent at a TNA show.

Obviously, that never happened.

[Big Red Machine]

Did they actually think ROH would go for this? For a guy to show up and just be any other heel, then job out to the TNA guy?

[cero2k]

Did they actually think ROH would go for this? For a guy to show up and just be any other heel, then job out to the TNA guy?

ROH needs all the attention they can get, it wouldn't have been THAT bad, they could have just sent an expendible talent. Send Dijak for instance, he's useless in ROH, but he could have looked impressive in TNA

[Big Red Machine]

Did they actually think ROH would go for this? For a guy to show up and just be any other heel, then job out to the TNA guy?

ROH needs all the attention they can get, it wouldn't have been THAT bad, they could have just sent an expendible talent. Send Dijak for instance, he's useless in ROH, but he could have looked impressive in TNA

TNA wasn't going to accept Dijak. They wanted a "top talent."

And either way... why go over there just to do one job? It makes ROH look bush league, when that is exactly the perception they are trying to avoid.

[cero2k]

TNA wasn't going to accept Dijak. They wanted a "top talent."

And either way... why go over there just to do one job? It makes ROH look bush league, when that is exactly the perception they are trying to avoid.

Dijak is the Top Prospect Winner, ROH should be able to sell that. Or send Roddy and have him out-wrestle everyone in TNA's roster. if ROH would had been smart, they would have opted to co-book the angle and get something good for both promotions.

[Big Red Machine]

TNA wasn't going to accept Dijak. They wanted a "top talent."

And either way... why go over there just to do one job? It makes ROH look bush league, when that is exactly the perception they are trying to avoid.

Dijak is the Top Prospect Winner, ROH should be able to sell that. Or send Roddy and have him out-wrestle everyone in TNA's roster. if ROH would had been smart, they would have opted to co-book the angle and get something good for both promotions.

I don't think there was any way to make it work with the time they had (or more specifically, with the time TNA had left) and the other timing restrictions. ROH couldn't send anyone with a belt because of the tapings/airings schedules of both promotions. ROH also couldn't send any ex-TNA guys without it looking like an invasion of bitter ex-TNA guys rather than an ROH invasion (which is also going to be the problem with this GFW invasion). That leaves you with War Machine, reDRagon, and the Kingdom- assuming you can work around reDRagon and Bennett/Taven's Japan schedules, which, because of the way TNA tapings work, would take them out for EIGHT WEEKS of TV at a time). Oh. And Mark Briscoe... but are you really going to send Mark without Jay?
The logistics are such that it just wouldn't work, and I don't think it will help ROH any more than merely being the lead-in and lead-out for Impact and having the "up next Ring of Honor Wrestling" graphic will. No one who isn't already a wrestling fan is tuning in to watch either ROH or TNA, so doing an ROH invasion of TNA doesn't help.

Doing a TNA invasion of ROH would probably help ROH a bit, but it wouldn't help TNA at all, so there is no reason for TNA to do it.

[KILLdozer]

Oh BRM , you're always so pro -ROH! Lol

[Big Red Machine]

Oh BRM , you're always so pro -ROH! Lol

I'm practical. This wasn't going to work. You know TNA's big week of TV tapings? Well ROH has both Death Before Dishonor XIII and a day of TV tapings smack in the middle of it.
There is NO WAY to have made this work because it would be impossible to have the airdate schedule line up. People would expect to see something on ROH TV and then watch the episode of Impact that follows it to see a follow-up, and that would be impossible.

Look. If it will help, I will spend my entire afternoon 4.5+ mile walk trying to put my booking mind to a way to making this work.

[cero2k]

Oh BRM , you're always so pro -ROH! Lol

I'm practical. This wasn't going to work. You know TNA's big week of TV tapings? Well ROH has both Death Before Dishonor XIII and a day of TV tapings smack in the middle of it.
There is NO WAY to have made this work because it would be impossible to have the airdate schedule line up. People would expect to see something on ROH TV and then watch the episode of Impact that follows it to see a follow-up, and that would be impossible.

Look. If it will help, I will spend my entire afternoon 4.5+ mile walk trying to put my booking mind to a way to making this work.

Suzuki-Gun invaded NOAH and there hasn't been a single mention in NJPW, and even then, backstage segments, it's not that hard to tape those from anywhere in the world.

[Big Red Machine]

Oh BRM , you're always so pro -ROH! Lol

I'm practical. This wasn't going to work. You know TNA's big week of TV tapings? Well ROH has both Death Before Dishonor XIII and a day of TV tapings smack in the middle of it.
There is NO WAY to have made this work because it would be impossible to have the airdate schedule line up. People would expect to see something on ROH TV and then watch the episode of Impact that follows it to see a follow-up, and that would be impossible.

Look. If it will help, I will spend my entire afternoon 4.5+ mile walk trying to put my booking mind to a way to making this work.

Suzuki-Gun invaded NOAH and there hasn't been a single mention in NJPW, and even then, backstage segments, it's not that hard to tape those from anywhere in the world.

Because (I believe) Suzuki-Gun is its own separate kayfabe entity. They are doing it to improve their own careers rather than out of pro-New Japan promotional pride. Remember that we haven't even seen a single SUZUKI-GUN guy in New Japan since the show the day after the Tokyo Dome, which was set up by the NOAH guys coming in to help Yano fight Suzuki-Gun, so Suzuki-Gun decided to invade their promotion because Suzuki-Gun are dicks. It's an invasion angle, not a promotional war.

In the US, with things as they are and especially with the shows airing back-to-back on the same network, people would expect to see the invasion playing out on both shows.

Yes, you can tape a Briscoes promo from anywhere in the world, but in order to tape the Briscoes jumping Kurt Angle, you need to get them all together and do it in some place that resembles the backstage area of an arena.

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Because (I believe) Suzuki-Gun is its own separate kayfabe entity. They are doing it to improve their own careers rather than out of pro-New Japan promotional pride. Remember that we haven't even seen a single SUZUKI-GUN guy in New Japan since the show the day after the Tokyo Dome, which was set up by the NOAH guys coming in to help Yano fight Suzuki-Gun, so Suzuki-Gun decided to invade their promotion because Suzuki-Gun are dicks. It's an invasion angle, not a promotional war.

In the US, with things as they are and especially with the shows airing back-to-back on the same network, people would expect to see the invasion playing out on both shows.

Yes, you can tape a Briscoes promo from anywhere in the world, but in order to tape the Briscoes jumping Kurt Angle, you need to get them all together and do it in some place that resembles the backstage area of an arena.

it can be the same deal, send the Decade and say that you're tired of TNA and they wanna kill it. Done

what's so hard about getting the ROH team and the TNA team together if they're already working on the TNA shows? Parking lots are all the same everywhere

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Because (I believe) Suzuki-Gun is its own separate kayfabe entity. They are doing it to improve their own careers rather than out of pro-New Japan promotional pride. Remember that we haven't even seen a single SUZUKI-GUN guy in New Japan since the show the day after the Tokyo Dome, which was set up by the NOAH guys coming in to help Yano fight Suzuki-Gun, so Suzuki-Gun decided to invade their promotion because Suzuki-Gun are dicks. It's an invasion angle, not a promotional war.

In the US, with things as they are and especially with the shows airing back-to-back on the same network, people would expect to see the invasion playing out on both shows.

Yes, you can tape a Briscoes promo from anywhere in the world, but in order to tape the Briscoes jumping Kurt Angle, you need to get them all together and do it in some place that resembles the backstage area of an arena.

it can be the same deal, send the Decade and say that you're tired of TNA and they wanna kill it. Done

what's so hard about getting the ROH team and the TNA team together if they're already working on the TNA shows? Parking lots are all the same everywhere

TNA said they wanted top guys and the biggest name you're sending them is BJ WHITMER? No one is going to get excited at the thought of a match with BJ Whitmer and some TNA guys, and having BJ job to TNA guys doesn't help you at all. And what? You want the Decade- all THREE of them, to say that they are going to take down a promotion full of wrestlers?
Yes, you could do a parking lot attack, but that's ONE angle.

I still don't see how ROH sending guys to TNA is of any benefit to ROH. They're already on the same channel as TNA and a banner shows up every ten minutes or so on TNA TV telling you that ROH Wrestling is on next. There is no more exposure that ROH could possibly gain from doing this. Even if it was practical (which it isn't), there is nothing in it for ROH.

[badnewzxl]

I wouldn't think it'd happen bc TNA has absolutely NOTHING to offer ROH. there are no dream matches that can be thrown together, even before ROH got on the same network they had about the same amount of exposure, and with the recent success of Punk, Bryan, Rollins, Owens, etc in WWE, ROH has just as much power behind their brand.

Unless Dixie was planning on writing a big check, I don't see how the angle would benefit ROH...

[badnewzxl]

I wouldn't think it'd happen bc TNA has absolutely NOTHING to offer ROH. there are no dream matches that can be thrown together, even before ROH got on the same network they had about the same amount of exposure, and with the recent success of Punk, Bryan, Rollins, Owens, etc in WWE, ROH has just as much power behind their brand.

Unless Dixie was planning on writing a big check, I don't see how the angle would benefit ROH...

...Or unless the ROH guys went over.

[cero2k]

I wouldn't think it'd happen bc TNA has absolutely NOTHING to offer ROH. there are no dream matches that can be thrown together, even before ROH got on the same network they had about the same amount of exposure, and with the recent success of Punk, Bryan, Rollins, Owens, etc in WWE, ROH has just as much power behind their brand.

Unless Dixie was planning on writing a big check, I don't see how the angle would benefit ROH...

...Or unless the ROH guys went over.

I think that taken from an intelligent perspective, ROH can gain stuff too. Extra air time or talent exchange, I think the biggest problem is this was presented as an invasion, which obviously means that one if evil and must lose. I think that if they had just done a rivalry like the old RAW vs Smackdown ones where the teams have heel faces, but the fan chooses who to support, they could have had some interesting talent exchanges. ECIII vs Briscoe, Angle vs Roddy, Tigre Uno/DJ Z vs ACH/Sydal, Cole vs Roode, reDragon vs Hardys, Storm vs Elgin, there are still some good match-ups there, then you have the whole history of the tweeners that have jumped from one promotion to another during the years, I mean, we all wanna see Titus get revenge on King at one point, right?

At the end you do a co-promote PPV were some TNA guys win, some lose. You can exchange titles during the whole thing. It's like i've been saying, if ROH played their cards correctly and TNA agrees on a 50/50 terms, there is only good for both promotions. The world of wrestling needs more collaborations if they ever wanna mean something to a world dominated by WWE.

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I wouldn't think it'd happen bc TNA has absolutely NOTHING to offer ROH. there are no dream matches that can be thrown together, even before ROH got on the same network they had about the same amount of exposure, and with the recent success of Punk, Bryan, Rollins, Owens, etc in WWE, ROH has just as much power behind their brand.

Unless Dixie was planning on writing a big check, I don't see how the angle would benefit ROH...

...Or unless the ROH guys went over.

I think that taken from an intelligent perspective, ROH can gain stuff too. Extra air time or talent exchange, I think the biggest problem is this was presented as an invasion, which obviously means that one if evil and must lose. I think that if they had just done a rivalry like the old RAW vs Smackdown ones where the teams have heel faces, but the fan chooses who to support, they could have had some interesting talent exchanges. ECIII vs Briscoe, Angle vs Roddy, Tigre Uno/DJ Z vs ACH/Sydal, Cole vs Roode, reDragon vs Hardys, Storm vs Elgin, there are still some good match-ups there, then you have the whole history of the tweeners that have jumped from one promotion to another during the years, I mean, we all wanna see Titus get revenge on King at one point, right?

At the end you do a co-promote PPV were some TNA guys win, some lose. You can exchange titles during the whole thing. It's like i've been saying, if ROH played their cards correctly and TNA agrees on a 50/50 terms, there is only good for both promotions. The world of wrestling needs more collaborations if they ever wanna mean something to a world dominated by WWE.

Like I said: It's a problem of practicality. It's easy to say "why can't they just share do things 50/50, but that NEVER works in reality.

Yes, ROH could have gotten something out of it if TNA was willing to send guys over for live events... except that ROH is selling out most of their buildings anyway. It'd be great to get people in for Field of Honor... except that most of ROH's guys that could have "dream matches" are already booked against New Japan guys. You've got Adam Cole vs. Kurt Angle, and that's about it. Or maybe you could do Wolves vs. Kaz & Daniels... assuming ROH is willing to deal with Davey. If not I guess you could put Eddie with Sydal, but that's about it.
And by the point TNA was approaching ROH it was already pretty clear that Storm, Magnus, and Aries were headed to the open market, so why help TNA when you could just wait a few weeks?

When is Kurt's contract up? October? Unless you're getting him for Field of Honor, why would you help TNA when you could just wait a few months and probably get Kurt for a match at Final Battle?

And no. I don't want to see Rhett get revenge on Kenny anymore. Not since Rhett turned heel. Also, they've waited WAY too long to unmask RT so now it wouldn't make sense for him to be allowed to stay once he was unmasked unless they but a belt on him first (which will never happen), so it'd be impossible for them to get there.

[cero2k]

running the ROH/TNA thing would obviously mean that ROH changes most of their booking for the rest of the year

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running the ROH/TNA thing would obviously mean that ROH changes most of their booking for the rest of the year

And why would ROH want to do that for minimal gain?

[badnewzxl]

I wouldn't think it'd happen bc TNA has absolutely NOTHING to offer ROH. there are no dream matches that can be thrown together, even before ROH got on the same network they had about the same amount of exposure, and with the recent success of Punk, Bryan, Rollins, Owens, etc in WWE, ROH has just as much power behind their brand.

Unless Dixie was planning on writing a big check, I don't see how the angle would benefit ROH...

...Or unless the ROH guys went over.

I think that taken from an intelligent perspective, ROH can gain stuff too. Extra air time or talent exchange, I think the biggest problem is this was presented as an invasion, which obviously means that one if evil and must lose. I think that if they had just done a rivalry like the old RAW vs Smackdown ones where the teams have heel faces, but the fan chooses who to support, they could have had some interesting talent exchanges. ECIII vs Briscoe, Angle vs Roddy, Tigre Uno/DJ Z vs ACH/Sydal, Cole vs Roode, reDragon vs Hardys, Storm vs Elgin, there are still some good match-ups there, then you have the whole history of the tweeners that have jumped from one promotion to another during the years, I mean, we all wanna see Titus get revenge on King at one point, right?

At the end you do a co-promote PPV were some TNA guys win, some lose. You can exchange titles during the whole thing. It's like i've been saying, if ROH played their cards correctly and TNA agrees on a 50/50 terms, there is only good for both promotions. The world of wrestling needs more collaborations if they ever wanna mean something to a world dominated by WWE.

TNAs credibility is in the shitter, that's why no one wants to work with them. Of the matches you mentioned the only one I'd want to see is Cole v. Roode; Angle would be a draw so long as he can stay healthy; Hardys v. Briscoes would draw but it's been done; EC3 is the hottest guy in the promotion, but the promotion is dying. Justin Credible was pretty good during the last year of ECW but it means nothing.

ROH would have nothing to gain from invading TNA, both for real and kayfabe. As a business TNA doesn't make any more money than ROH, their current reputation with fans is MUCH worse, aside from the guys I mentioned above and maybe Storm and Abyss their roster is very underwhelming (esp when you consider most of the guys between the two companies have already faced one another dozens of times. One of the big reasons I lack any faith in this idea is the fact that most of the fresh match ups wouldn't draw. Roddy v. Angle, Roode v. Cole, Hardys v. Briscoes, then what?), and they have the same reach as far as exposure, even before ROH moved to DA.

Furthermore, why why WHY would ANYONE give TNA one of their top talents and say "yeah, go ahead and U book him. You guys are excellent at not making fools outta guys." With TNAs track record why would any promoter let them have a top guy, have that guy rep the promotion, then let TNA book the angle? Or have anything to do with it?